DonPiFF_ Ah, but I haven't ran a space in a in a little bit, so I was having a little trouble, and I just got some Chinese food in the building. You know how I'm feeling. Friday, I'm off for work tomorrow.
The APU Experience
Don grills Alex on the Kraken delisting, the 23 billion APU left on Kraken, his exit from operations, Chainlink and the market maker, then Router, Odin and juice NFTs.
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Kraken has just delisted APU, and Don spends most of two hours putting Alex in the hot seat about it, to the point that he calls it an interview rather than a Space. Alex's case: the token still trades in nine places, about 23 billion APU still sits in Kraken wallets ahead of a February 2027 liquidation, and the delisting happened because the market maker stopped being paid. Don pushes back hard on the history: Alex leaving his operations role, his accusations against 5G, and the billion tokens he sold over Chainlink. Alex holds his ground on all of it. Router and Odin come up later, the talk drifts to juice NFTs and the floor price, and it closes with both of them saying they would rather hold APU to zero than sell.
Chapters
13- 01
- Barely a dent in the price, Alex says. The real hit was Green selling about 2 billion APU a couple of days earlier.
- Exchanges are shipping their own on-chain apps to win back users from Moonshot and Robinhood. Kraken, Binance and Coinbase wallets all still support APU, as do Wealthsimple, Gate, Hyperliquid, Uniswap and Jupiter.
- Listings follow popularity, not the other way round: if a coin pumps, people learn to use Uniswap fast, which is how Alex says he found APU.
- 02
- His first buy was April 8, 2024, around an 80 million market cap, with an average near 50 million. He put in close to $3 million and says he is down about $2.8 million.
- No price target, only a time target: start exiting near the top of the next bull run, which he puts at Q3 or early Q4 of 2029 if the four-year cycle holds.
- 03
- Three Kraken wallets hold roughly 9.5, 8.5 and 5.2 billion APU. Anything customers haven't withdrawn by February 2027 gets sold on chain.
- Liquidation is still selling and still hits the chart, Don objects. Alex says he and the other whales will buy whatever comes out, and that the recent run to 10 million and back absorbed about 16 billion tokens of selling: 10 billion from people who had bought Palladius's tokens and 6.5 billion from Green.
- Psychologically it matters more. Alex compares it to Palladius's 2024 unlock, which dragged the price down for months while everyone waited, then marked the bottom once he sold.
- Whales have limit orders down to 20% below market, betting that unsophisticated Kraken holders will dump instead of withdraw.
- 04
- Tim has a proposal from a whale to revive Pawn Talk. Alex lists around ten community sites, including apuspaces.io, Apumon and Popcorn's merch store.
- His vision has no top-down structure, and he complains that promoting a project across APU's socials means begging the High Council, who aren't interested right now.
- Price is back at Palladius levels. Asked whether this is the bottom, Alex says APU's main pool is paired with Ethereum, so if Bitcoin and ETH drop, APU drops too.
- 05
- Crypto Twitter has lost respect for Murad, Alex says, with people claiming he doesn't believe half of what he says.
- If your thesis is "number go up", a falling chart disproves it, and the selling becomes reflexive. A prolonged bear could see SPX bleed its market cap back into the coins it took liquidity from.
- 06
- Predatory, "like a multi-level marketing scheme", is how Alex describes listing: agents waive the listing fee, charge a marketing fee, put you through weeks of KYC, then you still pay a market maker.
- Popular coins get listed for free with exchange-run market makers. His example is SPX, which did well before any exchange listed it.
- Emily, a caller, asks to be let back into the APU chats after being kicked repeatedly. Alex points her to the Apu Capital Flow Telegram, where most of the group now talks.
- 07
- July 4, 2026 is when Alex left the role. He says it was "director of operations", taken on after Jim left, with no final say: ideas went to the team and needed consensus.
- He told the High Council (5G, Bain and Zizo) and says he left the other chats when he "realized that 5G was stealing all the money". Don shuts that down: "We're not going there."
- Alex's counter to "they took it from nothing": a chart of the official account's announcements, two or three a month until January 2026, none from February to July, then one each in August and September. He says he'll post it in Capital Flow.
- 08
- Don raises the billion tokens Alex sold over Chainlink. Alex's version: four months of Chainlink engineers "gaslighting" the team about a Hyperliquid bridge while LayerZero had a working product, so the bridge went to LayerZero.
- Then Don reads out Alex's own message: if keeping Chainlink was entertained he would sell that day, and "sometimes strong actions need to be taken". Alex says he stands by it and would do it again.
- 09
- Alex says 5G stopped paying the market maker, so APU missed Kraken's KPIs. Don asks him to stop blaming 5G, and Alex rephrases it as "someone stopped paying the market maker".
- Volume isn't enough: exchanges also want a tight spread and order book depth, which the market maker supplies from inventory the project provides. That inventory had dwindled too far to trade with.
- Most holders, whales included, are already down 90%, so the community didn't step in. Alex's software market maker, started when the problem surfaced, wasn't ready in time.
- Kraken gave no warning, but the end came about three months after the market-maker contract ended. Asked about coins that ran after a tier-one delisting, Alex finds Bonk, dropped by Binance in 2024.
- 10
- Don asks why Alex gets so much hate. It turns into an argument over "stealing" versus Don's "mismanaging funds", with the community wallet at about 380 million APU, before Don asks to drop it.
- It started with ImageShack, Alex's first company: forum members who brought it into new communities got a signature badge, and he says that helped make it the seventh-biggest site from 2005 to 2007.
- For APU, the plan was to get founders at partner companies to buy whale-sized bags and an NFT to show for it. Alex reads 5G's reply from August 6, 2025: "Count me in. I love this vision, Alex."
- Launch day was September 17, 2025, during Powell's FOMC speech, by Alex's account.
- 11
- Alex respects Green for selling his Chainlink to buy 6.5 billion APU, which he says proved his thesis that holders of VC-backed tech tokens would rotate into APU. He hopes Green stops putting good money after bad.
- Everyone should sit down over wine and steak, Don suggests. Alex says the other side is welcome here, but he gets banned whenever they run a Space.
- No Ethereum all-time high in Q4 2026, in Alex's view, maybe positive price action from Q1 2027. Tom Lee's targets look high to him.
- One big holder Blew once interviewed is still holding APU. Alex reckons it's too small a position for him to worry about the delisting.
- 12
- Router bought 3.3 billion APU for about $60,000 over a few hours, months ago, and Alex checked the wallet before believing it. Router thinks this is the bottom.
- That proves sideline liquidity, says Alex: people who know APU and only need one green candle to come back in.
- Router got into APU partly to keep tabs on Mr. One, who took over Cheese. Alex holds none of Cheese now, and Router calls him Cheese's public enemy number one.
- 13
- Odin, who made Don's profile art, did about 95% of the move from apu.com to apu.io in roughly a day after Grape took the domain, according to Alex.
- Odin explains the Blackcoin in his bio: he lost a bet with Maxi and doesn't endorse the coin.
- In Alex's view APU NFTs are a geared long on APU. With the floor around $80, he sends Don a rarity-837 listing at floor price and tells him to buy the low-rarity ones.
- Today is APU's all-time low, Alex thinks. Both say they would rather hold to zero than sell.
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alex_eph612 Yeah. What'd you get?
DonPiFF_ Oh, my girl brought me some chicken wings and, spare ribs.
alex_eph612 Sweet.
DonPiFF_ You know, not to eat this though. This is so bad for you. You know.
alex_eph612 Yeah, they put a lot of crap in it.
DonPiFF_ Are you like a healthy eater, or what?
alex_eph612 I try.
DonPiFF_ Yeah. What were you today?
alex_eph612 Today I ate a capris salad.
DonPiFF_ Okay.
alex_eph612 And yesterday I ate ribeye.
DonPiFF_ Oh wow! You eating good, huh?
alex_eph612 Yeah, I'm eating good. I mean, it's more expensive to eat out, and you get shittier food.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, yeah, facts, facts. How much you spend on the ribeye? What you cooking at home?
alex_eph612 I did. Yeah, it was. I basically got like a one and a half pound ribeye, and my girlfriend split it. It was $25.
DonPiFF_ It's not bad because if you go get a ribeye at a store, that's just like 40.
alex_eph612 Yeah, exactly.
DonPiFF_ And it ain't nowhere as good as home, you know.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Well, I spend a lot of time looking for the perfect cut. It takes me a little while to find it.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, but still 25 binos.
alex_eph612 Yeah, it's not bad.
DonPiFF_ Bad. I like scarce steak. You like scarce steak?
alex_eph612 Ah, I don't eat it very much. I eat ribeye and pecania. I love the Brazilian pecania.
DonPiFF_ I went to a Brazilian steakhouse where they make gobo cuts in front of you.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ that's just popping.
alex_eph612 Yeah, it's really good. So you know, I kind of expected a little bit more people to join on a Friday night at five. I don't know what's going on, bro. Yeah, I think we should just kind of sit here and see how. Yeah, we'll give
DonPiFF_ him some time. We'll give him some time.
alex_eph612 Actually, you know what? Why don't we let McGino. Gino show us his French accent. Maybe he should. I brought him
DonPiFF_ up. I already tried to bring him up.
alex_eph612 Yeah, he's here. He's listening. Maybe he could get on the mic and tell us what he's what kind of accent he has or demonstrate
DonPiFF_ your Alex. But hold on, Kraken. Should we be worried or no?
alex_eph612 . Honestly, I think it's like in line with the bear market, like these sort of things. Yeah.
DonPiFF_ Okay.
alex_eph612 I personally wouldn't. I mean, it obviously sucks that we're getting delisted, but. it's it really hasn't had a meaningful effect on the price. The only thing that really affected the price is Green selling 2 billion APU yesterday, or like two days ago, or wherever it was,
DonPiFF_ yeah. But fuck it, fuck it. You know, boy, he's completely out, though, right?
alex_eph612 Yeah, he doesn't have anymore., as far as like buying APU, let me pull up a little notes that I have here. So we're moving away from centralized exchanges. Essentially, everything is moving on chain. Especially next cycle, I think that everything will move on chain. So that means like instead of having a centralized exchange where you submit your you know passport photos and your KYC and all this stuff to make accounts and trade there. Oh, you go
DonPiFF_ like Uniswap.
alex_eph612 Not exactly. Exchanges are building apps themselves to facilitate on-chain purchases. So what you would essentially do is like you download an app made by Kraken or Binance or Coinbase, and you buy Ethereum on that app, and then you trade that Ethereum in that same app for a token on chain. So in this case, it would be APU.
DonPiFF_ Okay. All like Coinbase wallets. I'm sure. Yeah, like
alex_eph612 Coinbase wallet, Kraken wallet, Binance wallet. They all support Apu. They just they've sort of like realized that there's these apps coming out or have been coming out over the last couple of years, like Moonshot and Robinhood that facilitate on-chain trading, and these apps are stealing customers from the exchanges, so they have no choice but to release their own apps and market those apps to their customers.
DonPiFF_ Okay.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I want to.
DonPiFF_ Apu would already be on there.
alex_eph612 Yeah, Apu is already on there. So Apu is on Moonshot, on Kraken, on Binance, on Coinbase, a Canadian. App called Wealth Symbol or Wealth Simple, and it's still on Gate, which is a centralized exchange. You can buy Apu on Hyper Liquid, and you can use the decentralized exchanges, which are the Uniswap and Jupiter apps.
DonPiFF_ I think Apo's gonna be fine once the once the bear's over,
alex_eph612 for sure.
DonPiFF_ But you see, Maxi. Maxi keeps tagging me and shit. I don't listen to that guy.
alex_eph612 Yeah, he. But
DonPiFF_ he's like, coins aren't gonna go from an 80% drop to all time high again. That those days are over.
alex_eph612 I don't know about that. Like, here's the thing. Like every cycle, people say, this time it's gonna be different. This time the market has evolved. You know, there's too much competition and all this stuff, but every time, you know, you get new all-time highs, and everyone is always surprised.
DonPiFF_ How long you been in crypto? A while
alex_eph612 since 2012.
DonPiFF_ Okay, around the same time I got in.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ but I was investing in stupid shots. I've been buying Bitcoin.
alex_eph612 Well, yeah, I think everyone has that problem. Everyone always thinks they can. I was buying.
DonPiFF_ I was buying Tron. I was buying ICX. I was buying the stupid shit Neo.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean, I bought my fair share of stuff as well, but you know, I had a good reason to do it. It seemed smart at the time.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, seemed smart at the time, Fox.
alex_eph612 Yeah. So I want to send you a screenshot to your Telegram.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, do let me see.
alex_eph612 Let's see where you are. So basically, yeah.
DonPiFF_ No, my bad. What is that?
alex_eph612 I was gonna say. So I sent you a screenshot of nine places where you can buy APU right now.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, but Kraken's gonna be off it, no?
alex_eph612 Well, no, because Kraken still has support Apu via their via their app.
DonPiFF_ Binance, Binance app.
alex_eph612 Yeah. So all everything that's labeled as an app is somewhere you can buy Apu, and this is confirmed.
DonPiFF_ Oh yeah, Apu's going. Apu's gonna run. Fuck out of here.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Like, here's the thing: a lot of people they think, okay, well, we need to get listed, we need to be on all these exchanges and all this stuff. But that is a downstream issue to the actual popularity of the coin. If a coin is popular, it's going to be listed automatically everywhere. Market makers are going to start market making it and basically priming it up. It's not like you get on an exchange and then suddenly you become popular. You know, it might seem that way, but that's not really how it works. And another aspect of it is, let's say that you're not on Kraken and your coin is pumping. You know, you're going to learn really quick how to buy it on Uniswap because you're going to have FOMO, and I'm not saying you as a you personally, more like a general you. And this actually happened to me when I was buying APU. Like when I came into this decentralized ecosystem, I didn't have any clue what Uniswap was, right? I mean, I was in crypto, I was in the mining coins and on the centralized exchange side, so I had no idea of this industry at all. I didn't really consider tokens to be like real crypto. So I'm like, how the fuck do I buy this Apu? And I started researching and figuring it out, you know. And everyone, you know, goes through that learning process.
DonPiFF_ So your first buy at one market cap.
alex_eph612 Ah, so this was april 8 of 2024, and I believe the market cap was like 80,000,080.
DonPiFF_ mil.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ Jesus Christ.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean my average price for APU is actually quite high. It's in the 50 mil.
DonPiFF_ I was buying APU like day one.
alex_eph612 Right. Oh, I was a couple. I didn't have
DonPiFF_ capital. I was broke. I was broke. You know.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ I mean, I'm broke now.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Ain't that the truth?
DonPiFF_ You feel me? Like I was broke, but shit.
alex_eph612 No, I feel, I feel like, you know, I once said like, someone said, "I'm, like, how did I miss this token? Like, and they were talking about some token that was ripping for that particular day, and I said, "I wish I missed APU.
DonPiFF_ Ward. Yeah, question what you mean. I see what you mean, because right now you will have fucking so much more. Your first and you invested how much?
alex_eph612 Close to $3 million.
DonPiFF_ Get the fuck out of here.
alex_eph612 Yeah. So I'm down 2.8 million on this investment.
DonPiFF_ So right now your bag's worth 200 bands,
alex_eph612 basically.
DonPiFF_ Oh my god! Let me ask you, son.
alex_eph612 Sure.
DonPiFF_ We start ripping to the upside. What's your Profit taking.
alex_eph612 Well,
DonPiFF_ that's what I want to know. What's your profit taking?
alex_eph612 So,
DonPiFF_ I'm
alex_eph612 not like scrambling to get my money back. I invested in APU because I thought it was going to be a multi-billion market cap coin. It
DonPiFF_ is. It is. Yeah. It
alex_eph612 is. So, like, you know, when I'm interested in selling, no one's gonna care because everyone's gonna be interested in buying it. That's basically like I don't I don't have like a price target. I have more like a time target. So I'm you know going to try to start exiting towards the top of the next bull run. I'll probably keep some.
DonPiFF_ Next bull run, when do you think it's hitting?
alex_eph612 Well, it's very likely going to be in somewhere between two and a half to three years. Will be the top, I guess.
DonPiFF_ From now,
alex_eph612 yeah, unless we're wrong about the four-year cycle, but it's it hasn't failed yet. I
cartoons_mad want you to help me give it a message.
DonPiFF_ We got a subsurge.
cartoons_mad Yeah.
DonPiFF_ You're saying three, two to three years.
alex_eph612 Yeah, because,
DonPiFF_ but that'd be the top.
alex_eph612 Yeah, that would be the top. I mean, we might have like some rips that happen earlier, but I feel like the top is going to be literally like 2029, like q3 or early q4.
DonPiFF_ Jesus Christ.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean, I might like this is my opinion, right? So other people might have other opinions.
DonPiFF_ So we're gonna be in a bear.
alex_eph612 Well, yeah, I feel like we are in a bear. Another thing is, you know, Kraken has about like you asked me yesterday how many tokens does Kraken have, and I told you that Kraken holds coins on behalf of its customers.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, I'll tell you how. Yeah,
alex_eph612 but I, let me pull up my notes for Kraken.
DonPiFF_ I was talking with anti influence and the dude that does the charts. Yeah, asked him. It's right now Kraken holds 4.3 per not Kraken itself like you said but the customer base
alex_eph612 yeah Kraken
DonPiFF_ itself holds 4.3% about 16 through 18 billion.
alex_eph612 Let me give you the real numbers.
DonPiFF_ Okay,
alex_eph612 I have them. I have them.
DonPiFF_ I bet.
alex_eph612 I just have to find them again. Okay, so there's three wallets. I'm going to send them to you. Basically, here they are, and I'm going to do some quick math. So 9.5 billion on one, 8.5 billion on the second, and 5.2 on the third. So together, that is 9.5, 8.5 plus 5.3. So 23 point 3 billion. So over the next three months, these customers are going to be withdrawing from Kraken. But in February of 2027, any coins that are not withdrawn are going to be liquidated on chain. So if there's anyone that has forgotten about the Apu that's in their Kraken account, they're going to be liquidated, and obviously Kraken's
DonPiFF_ going to sell them.
alex_eph612 Yeah, Kraken is going to sell them in February. So what we need to do is essentially kind of watch these wallets and watch them go to zero, and this would be like people withdrawing their APU, but if there's like I don't know billions of APU there, obviously they're going to be sold. And these are these are APU's apu tokens that people have essentially forgotten about because they would have had multiple chances and multiple warnings and multiple emails from Kraken to tell them to withdraw it, and they still haven't. So this is actually kind of a plus for us because these guys, if they forgot about APU, and let's say that it rips and goes to like multiple million, hundreds of million in the market cap, they're. Gonna one day open their Kraken account, and they're gonna say, "Okay, look, I have six figures in here. Let me just market sell this right now. And you know they have no interest in us or our community, and you know this is literally what they're going to do. So it's kind of like a good idea to liquidate them before they have a chance to wake up with hundreds of 1000s of dollars.
DonPiFF_ Yeah,
alex_eph612 I mean, so that is kind of like a side benefit.
DonPiFF_ No, but it's not a side benefit because liquidating is still selling it, and it's hitting our chart.
alex_eph612 That's true. However, we know about it, so we can plan for that, and we can essentially put in buy orders to pick up that apu from them and put them into the hands of people that have higher price targets than someone who lucked into it.
DonPiFF_ Yeah. Well, hopefully they get it out and they don't sell it.
alex_eph612 Yeah, you know, hopefully it's minimal. But if it's not minimal, obviously me and the rest of the whales are going to buy all of it,
DonPiFF_ Jesus. Ah,
alex_eph612 but just to give you a little bit of perspective, if you remember the recent run up to 10 million and the rundown.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, what happened?
alex_eph612 Well, a lot of people who had bought APU, in like the ones that had bought a from Palladius's rug, they took that as an opportunity to sell. Wow. Yeah. So that was about $10 billion worth of coins, or not? Sorry, it was 10 billion coins sold by that side, and Green himself sold 6.5 billion.
DonPiFF_ There,
alex_eph612 not there, but recently.
DonPiFF_ Recently,
alex_eph612 yeah. So he was kind of selling, kind of on the way down from seven to like what are we at now? Like five or 4.9 or something. But yeah, that's about six 16 billion tokens worth of sell pressure, and I have a feeling that Kraken is not going to have 16 billion worth of sell pressure.
DonPiFF_ No way. Yeah. No way.
alex_eph612 It's going to be a lot less, and it's really not going to affect us as much as you think, but there is one thing to say, and that is the psychological aspect of this is going to be reflected in our chart, because anyone who knows about this is going to be waiting to buy. Right? They're going to think that there's gonna be a lot of downward price pressure, even though it's not accurate. They're gonna be waiting for February to roll around before they start wanting to buy APU. So whenever you have like an unlock, like a vested unlock in the future, it causes downward price pressure from the psychological perspective. One other thing I can say is, there was an example of like vested unlocks in 2024 when Palladius sold all of his Apu, he had time locked billions of coins. I don't quite remember how many it was. I think it was like 6 billion, and he had time locked them to february 2 of 2024 or somewhere along those lines. And when he did, everyone was always like, "Okay, well, Palladius is going to rug those coins as soon as they unlock, and you know it just so happens that the psychological aspect of that was reflected in our chart, and we slowly went down from like 0008 to 0002, waiting for Palladius, and then once he finally did sell, which he promised he wouldn't, but that's another matter. Once he finally did sell, that was actually the bottom, and we started ripping from there. So I have a feeling this same thing might happen with Kraken. Oh,
DonPiFF_ Kraken! Yeah. Okay. See, yeah, I wasn't around when Palladius tokens were locked, and then they were supposed to be unlocked.
alex_eph612 Yeah, it was a whole thing. There was a lot of craziness going on at that time, and that's actually when I got most of my Apu. So I had bought a lot of the Palladius token unlocks around that time.
DonPiFF_ huh. Oh Lord, let's see what happens.
alex_eph612 Yeah., one other thing I wanted to talk about
DonPiFF_ is
alex_eph612 let's fucking go one of our whales. Has messaged me yesterday and told me that he's sent a proposal to Tim to revive pawn talk, and I have no information about that. But you know, I see that Tim's a listener. Maybe he can he can comment about it. Maybe he liked Let's Fucking Ghost Prop.
DonPiFF_ I try to put him up here. I don't know why he ain't coming.
alex_eph612 Yeah, well, he's listening, but he's not talking. But yeah, like it would be cool. It would be cool to have all these like side projects that everyone is contributing Towards,
DonPiFF_ what you mean, side projects?
alex_eph612 Well, like my vision for APU,
DonPiFF_ yeah, is
alex_eph612 essentially no top down structure. Everyone who contributes gets uplifted. If they produce good work, you know that's good on its merits. Then they get recognition for it, that sort of thing. So we have like 10 or so community-run websites, including the including the flagship one at Pu.io. But yeah, like there's you know, I had commissioned ApuSpaces.io to be built. You know, Pontalk.io could be another side project. Market Makers, another side project. Apu Liquid.io. Ron, the artist, along with his product manager, is running Apumon.io. Popcorn is running his merch store. You know, there's some other little side projects as well, and you know, I just love. I'd love to see more people come out and like do their own thing, and have that be recognized and elevated by the community. The way we have it now is like it's really hard to want to do anything. First of all, because we're in a bear, and there's really not that many of us that are interested in putting in the work to make the Apu community seem vibrant. But on the other hand, you have to beg the High Council to be able to like cross promote your project, and they're really not interested in doing that right now. You know they're doing their own thing, and I feel like it would be better if there was a system that didn't require permission from like the top guys in order to promote it across our socials.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, yeah. I know what you mean.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ You know, I don't know. I don't know, Mawa. I don't know, Mawa. You know. Yeah,
alex_eph612 we'll figure it out.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, hopefully we do figure something out, Alex. We need to figure something out about it, Bubba. Something needs to be figured out because, bro, I haven't opened up the chart on my computer in a minute. Let me open it. Hold on. Let me see where we're at. Jesus Christ. I don't give a fuck. I've been rocking with this shit since. Damn, we're basically at where we almost launched.
alex_eph612 Yeah, we're at Palladius levels.
DonPiFF_ We're at Palladius now. We're higher now.
alex_eph612 Yeah, it was higher.
DonPiFF_ This got to be the bottom. You think or no? What do you think?
alex_eph612 I'm getting a lot of sentiment from everyone that they do think this is the bottom.
DonPiFF_ Well, how much further can we go, honestly?
alex_eph612 Well, if Bitcoin drops,
DonPiFF_ yeah,
alex_eph612 then Ethereum will drop too. If Ethereum drops, our liquidity pool, our largest liquidity pool, is with Ethereum. So by definition, we would have to drop as well, unless we find some crazy buyers, you know, during this time.
DonPiFF_ And if we drop, Jesus Christ! The quility we got 8805.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean
DonPiFF_ 200 200 bands of that is yours.
alex_eph612 Well, like if I were to market sell it, I wouldn't I wouldn't get that much. But you know, you really shouldn't be worried about how much I have because I'm not selling. I'm not worried. I'm not
DonPiFF_ worried about. I'm just saying the quality.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ 805. Yeah, you said you got about 200k. So that's 200k to yours, and there's other whales. You know, oh Jesus Christ, Lord Jesus.
alex_eph612 None of the whales that I'm that I know of are selling.
DonPiFF_ But look at the look at the SPX chart. That should look. I mean, still, that shit looks crazy too.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Oh shit! It's 350. Yeah. Last time I checked, it was like 450.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, it's 350 37 cents. Look at that.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ Ma got hit crazy. Maga took a beating.
alex_eph612 Yeah. I mean, I'm not super like involved in the drama and dynamics of the other coins, but as far as SPX, they have kind of a problem right now.
DonPiFF_ What's going on with them? That
alex_eph612 is like they, crypto Twitter has essentially lost respect for Marad.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, I see that after his token 49 shit. Yeah,
alex_eph612 so they're like saying, "Oh well, he doesn't even believe half of the shit he's saying, and that is a very like huge problem for them.
router176_ Like,
DonPiFF_ I don't know, but Murad been sticking to his bag. I'm not lying to you. He's been riding SPX.
alex_eph612 No, I get whatever.
DonPiFF_ He vamped us, you know. He vamped us hard, right? Not vamp, but he did us dirty.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean, there's multiple things that can be said about it. Like, let's say that you found 10 coins and you had a thesis for all of them, and nine out of the 10 turned out to be shit. You know, obviously, you're not going to want to promote the ones that are dropping in value, right? Because it's bad for you. It's bad for you as a key opinion leader. It's bad for you as a sort of like steward or leader. I guess you could say of your project, but you know that goes to say the same thing is happening with his own bag, like his own SPX bag right now, and that is like he's shilling something that's going down in value, and people are starting to lose faith in that, you know, and that's reflected in their all overall thesis because their thesis is number go up and number hasn't been going up for quite some time so essentially it means that thesis isn't accurate right if your thesis was something else like tokenized friendship or something like that then the thesis would still be valid despite the price but if your thesis is the price, then it can be invalidated quite easily. And once market sentiment changes, it sort of becomes reflexive, and then it drops even faster. So, you know, I feel like the bear market will turn around faster, then the market will, and because of that, the market will sort of like gloss over all of these glaring issues. But if we're in a prolonged bear, you could see SPX essentially liquidate and bleed all of its market cap back into the Coins that, as you say, it vamped.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, yeah, wow, wow. Because right now their liquidity, bro, 11.1 milli.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ it's not bad.
alex_eph612 I mean, a lot of that is just the reflection of its market cap as well.
DonPiFF_ huh.
alex_eph612 Like by definition, the bigger the market cap, the bigger the liquidity pool.
DonPiFF_ I mean, our liquidity pool was one up to like what 4 million.
alex_eph612 I think so. Yeah.
DonPiFF_ 15 mil a bull right now, 200 bucks. That's not bad.
alex_eph612 Yeah, it's not bad. The. The whales have been telling me that they've been setting up limit orders like down to like negative 20% of the current market price, especially on Kraken, because there's a lot of these unsophisticated traders or whatever you call them, they might they might dump their Apu instead of trying to withdraw it from Kraken.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, yeah, they might trade it.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ fact, fact. So
alex_eph612 what happens then is because the order book is so thin, it essentially drops the price down on that exchange into whatever bots that or other people that have set up stink bids down to like 80% of the market price. So you have like this massive like shift from unsophisticated. Holders to sophisticated ones. So, you know, of course, it's not great that we got delisted, but overall, I think what's going to happen is you're actually going to see eventual higher upside because the coins are going into People with longer time horizons.
DonPiFF_ Let me ask you this.
alex_eph612 Sure.
DonPiFF_ If an exchange wants to list this, who do they speak to?
alex_eph612 Well, here's the thing. That is kind of a complicated question, because right now, my preference is not to speak to any exchanges. In the past, that would have been like someone like Jim, but here's the thing: the exchange listing process, it in and of itself, is kind of predatory. So you have all of these like it's kind of like a multi-level marketing scheme. So you have all of these listing agents that come into your group chats and whatever, and they say, you know, oh well, we want you to we want to list Apu or whatever else, and they say like, okay, well, we don't have a listing fee, but we have a marketing fee which you're required to pay, and then like you do all sorts of like onboarding. You do all sorts of AML and KYC documents that you submit, and then eventually, after multiple weeks and multiple like rounds of due diligence, eventually you get listed, and then you have to pay a market maker. All of this can actually be avoided. Like if your coin is popular enough, exchanges will list it automatically and run their own market makers for your coin, right?
DonPiFF_ So initially, so you should never want to pay to be on an exchange, huh?
alex_eph612 That's exactly correct.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, yeah. Well, fuck exchanges because at the end of the day, if you ain't getting the volume, they're gonna delist you, and that's gonna probably hurt you more. No,
alex_eph612 well, I don't know if it's gonna hurt you more or less, but like, it's kind of like a predatory extraction from your community. So you end up paying for something that you didn't have to pay for, and you know that's less money in your pocket. That's less money in the community's pocket. So if you if you remember, like SBX did quite well without ever being listed on a single exchange, and then eventually they all got listed in the top, like close to the beginning of the top of the bull run. So yeah, I'm of the opinion that exchanges are, and the exchanges listing process is actually quite predatory, and we're kind of better off without it.
cartoons_mad Can I be in the APU chat again now that you got some evil people out?
DonPiFF_ Alex,
alex_eph612 yeah, what's up?
DonPiFF_ Who's this? That just who is that? I never, I don't know who Emily is.
alex_eph612 She's from Cheese.
cartoons_mad I'm not from Cheese. I started with you guys. What are you talking about? I'm from Cheese. Well,
alex_eph612 everyone starts with APU, and then they go somewhere else.
cartoons_mad I am with APU, and then five Gs start hating on me, and now you guys are kick are suing them and stuff. So can you guys be put me back in the group chat? Well, I have no say in who gets to be in 5g's group chat. Oh, okay. Can I? Is there a group chat now where there's nobody like cheating on the project now. Can we? Is there like a group chat? There's. Is there like a decent Apu chat that I can get into that nobody keeps adding me and kicking me
alex_eph612 out? Well, you know, if everyone keeps kicking you out of channels, maybe the issue isn't with the channels.
cartoons_mad No, it was. You're not understanding.
alex_eph612 Oh, I'm not understanding.
cartoons_mad People want. No, you're not understanding. They add me into the APU chat, and then one of the people that were taking the money were kicking me up. Now that you're past that drama, can I be added in?
alex_eph612 Sure, I guess like there's a Telegram group called Apu Capital Flow where most of us hang out. I'm sure you could join there, and you know we only have two rules, and that is like no soft shilling other coins, and that you must have a.
cartoons_mad Why would I soft shill other coins? What are you saying? I'm
alex_eph612 just telling you the rules. You know, you can relax.
cartoons_mad Okay.
alex_eph612 So yeah, you can you can join that chat.
cartoons_mad Why would I shill other shit? What are you talking about? Anyway. I would like. Can you send me the information to that? Because somebody has been constantly kicking me out. But now that you're suing him or whatever, well, I'm not. I'm not suing him.
alex_eph612 But yeah, I'll definitely send you the link to that chat. Let me send it to you on X.
cartoons_mad You can follow. Want to follow me and can I get back into the group?
alex_eph612 Halim Lee.
DonPiFF_ Hold on, hold on, Emily. Are you buying a 900 milli? Because if you buy 900 milli, I need that bounty. I need that bounty. Hello.
alex_eph612 Hello. Halim Lee.
DonPiFF_ who's that? Who's that? I don't
cartoons_mad know. Somebody told him to like follow me around.
DonPiFF_ I know a problem with that. APU living for life. I'm Lee.
cartoons_mad What?
alex_eph612 How are you?
cartoons_mad I'm good. How are you?
RT3244464970261 Good. Good. I'm glad.
cartoons_mad Do you have an APU? Because that's the only reason why we're in here is if you have an APU or not, or you got to get kissed.
DonPiFF_ Not necessarily. Not necessarily. I don't
cartoons_mad know. I don't know. I was I was just saying the rules, you know. But I'm. I don't know.
DonPiFF_ I'm in the building and the dilemma. Why you not eat infate murat here?
cartoons_mad See, I'm just trying to push the APU thing. I don't know what everybody got quiet there. I'm just trying to get.
DonPiFF_ No one, no one got quiet. No one got. I'm chilling. You know, my baby just came in my room. That's what it was.
cartoons_mad You have a baby?
DonPiFF_ Yes, I have two.
cartoons_mad You have two, so you're a super dad.
DonPiFF_ yeah. No, she just want you just wanted to come. Calia, hey, hello, hello. Yeah, you're Alex. You're leaving me alone with your friends.
alex_eph612 I don't know these people.
DonPiFF_ Oh, you don't know Emily? No.
cartoons_mad You follow me and he doesn't, so I don't know what's going on? I would. I just want to know if I can get in APU. Why are you
DonPiFF_ asking? It's free. It's free to get in APU. Not free, but it's
alex_eph612 basically free.
cartoons_mad I'm tired of getting pulled in and getting kicked out. So I want to know where can I hang out where people aren't like pushing me out.
alex_eph612 I sent you a link to the Telegram group chat on X,
cartoons_mad but there's also there's a Twitter group chat, or is that we don't trust those anymore?
alex_eph612 There is a Twitter group chat, but that's some that's not run by me. So like, if you go to that Telegram group, eventually we'll get you in the Twitter one.
cartoons_mad Does it still have 5g and what's his name?
alex_eph612 5g is not in that one.
cartoons_mad Okay, good because that's what every those guys were kept kicking me out.
alex_eph612 Yeah, they do that a lot. So Don, I got a question for you.
DonPiFF_ Why
alex_eph612 do you sound black?
DonPiFF_ I don't know. I get that a lot. I
alex_eph612 don't know. You told me.
DonPiFF_ I get that a lot. I don't know, bro. I really don't. Where
alex_eph612 Where did you grow up? Like, what's your accent?
DonPiFF_ I'm Dominican.
alex_eph612 Okay. You're
DonPiFF_ annoying. I don't know why people. My girl just walks in the room. I don't know why people keep saying I sound black, honey. No, I don't. Because they did that. I don't know. She said that.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Makes sense.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, but, yo, Alex, I got a question for you. You know,
alex_eph612 yo, what's up?
DonPiFF_ Okay, so are you the head of operations?
alex_eph612 Short answer is no.
DonPiFF_ What do you mean no?
alex_eph612 Because
DonPiFF_ last time, last time I hey hold on, last time I know. Last time I know, you there was a tweet, and you were the head of operations. So when did you let that title go?
alex_eph612 july 4, 2026. Was
DonPiFF_ it known that you said you're not head of operation no more, or you just did it on your own?
alex_eph612 Well, there was. And when you're
DonPiFF_ hold on and when you're head of operations, what comes with that title?
alex_eph612 So, like it's not exactly head of operations; more like director of operations. So there was there was kind of like a vacuum when Jim had left. And there was no one to sort of like do anything related to the business side of the project, and there was really no one left to fill that role. And I essentially had stepped up, and I had taken on that role, which is kind of like a limited role. It's not a C-level position. I don't actually get any say in what gets done. It was more like a group effort. So, like, I would come up with some ideas, and I would pitch them to the rest of the team. And if there was an agreement and consensus, then we would proceed with whatever it is that was proposed, right? And I specifically did that because I didn't want to have the kind of like responsibility that comes with running a project like this, you know, because everyone would essentially blame leadership if things don't go the way that we expect. And you know, now a lot of people on the happy side or whatever, they still do that. You know, they say, okay, you know, Alex is this whatever self-proclaimed head of operations, and you know he gets the final say of whatever it is that happens in APU, but you know this is very far from the truth. I never wanted to have any sort of like governance role or any sort of leadership role. It was more like there was no one else left to do it, and because I had the biggest bag, you know I was I was invested in trying to get, essentially trying to bag work, you know, trying to get something for my investment. So that was kind of like the scope of my involvement. And as far as me leaving, basically,
DonPiFF_ who did you let know that you weren't leaving that title or leaving that position.
alex_eph612 So all of the HC. So this would be like 5g, Bain, and Zizo. I had left all other group chats when I realized that 5g was stealing all the money.
DonPiFF_ Listen, listen, Alex. We're not going there. We're not. Let's not backtrack with 5g stealing money. It is what it is. If he did it, fuck it. Okay, it's over with. Let
alex_eph612 me just tell you, you know, I have my reasoning for leaving. You asked me why I left. Okay, yeah, you're right. You're right.
DonPiFF_ You're right. You're right.
alex_eph612 Yeah. So basically, leading up to that, it was like 5g wouldn't answer my DMs. You know, I have a little bit of self-respect. I'm not going to be begging him to like talk to me, and I realized that like none of those guys were really all that interested in running the project. And on top of like that,
DonPiFF_ hold on, let me cut you off right there for a second. Who CTOed the project if they weren't interested, who CTOed it?
alex_eph612 If I've GCTOed it,
DonPiFF_ okay. So what do you mean they weren't interested in the project if they took it from nothing to something? You feel me?
alex_eph612 I do feel you, but I have a reply to that. If you'd like to wait just a minute,
DonPiFF_ sorry. Yeah, go
alex_eph612 ahead. Let me find a little graph that I made. I'm going to send it to you. Okay, so I'm going to forward you two documents, and once you take a look at them, I'll see that you read them and that this is on Telegram. Okay, so this is legitimate update posts per month from the Apuzcoin account. So these are all posts that announce something, either a sponsorship or a partnership or a project launch or some security note, official community program. It skips all the meme posts, right? So, if you look at this graph, you'll see that the Apu team was consistently posting two to three announcements per month up until January of 2026, and
DonPiFF_ then
alex_eph612 yeah, and then on February through July, there were absolutely no posts from the main account with regards to actual updates about the project from them, and then there was one announcement in August and one announcement in September. So, as you can see, they cared very much about the project in the first year. And then in 2025, they didn't care as much. This is reflected in the posts. And then in February of 2026, when the price dropped, they stopped caring completely. And between February and July is a period of time when 5g would not answer any of my DMs, and you know I'm actually going to post this in Capital Flow for everyone to see it. So, you know, there's no reason to keep it private. So anyone that's in Capital Flow can just see what I what I had just sent to you.
DonPiFF_ I'm sure.
alex_eph612 So yeah, the basic argument that I'm making is like yeah, 5g and his team did a lot of work, they did a lot of good stuff, but then they stopped working. And I'll tell you this: February of 2026 was before any of these like problems with me came out, right? It's not
DonPiFF_ a problem for you that you held. Okay, let's be honest.
alex_eph612 I'm just saying
DonPiFF_ with the chain link sponsorship that you dumped 1 billion tokens.
alex_eph612 Okay, I'll tell them.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, go ahead and be truthful. You know, here, you feel me? Let me hear this.
alex_eph612 All right. So I'm gonna pull up what I said about Chainlink. I just don't want to say anything that's like not correct. So I'm going to use my notes to tell you exactly what happened. So, long story short is, we were talking with Chainlink for about four months to launch our hyperliquid bridge, while their engineers were gaslighting us into thinking that they have a working product, while their competition layer zero ran circles around them, and they attempted to, instead of doing the work that we asked, they attempted to convince us to redeploy our Solana wormhole contract using their tech, and all this was for you know the only benefit we get from this is that we get to post about a sponsor about a sponsorship or like a partnership on our own socials without any cross promotion from them, so I didn't kill any partnership. We just didn't use their non-existent project or non-existent product for a specific bridge that we were building.
DonPiFF_ So the partnership with a trimmer.
alex_eph612 Yeah. So
DonPiFF_ Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex. You said if there's any more talk, if there's any more talk about Chainlink, you're gonna dump, and you dump 1 billion when Chainlink was brought up again.
alex_eph612 So that's not exactly what I said.
DonPiFF_ All right, but listen, listen. Let's skip all that. That's past track, and let's see what the future holds for our pool, Alex. What are we doing, Poppy?
alex_eph612 You can't just put words in my mouth and not expect me to like defend my position. So I would like to say that what I actually had said during that conversation was that we cannot continue talking with Chainlink about this specific project. That we have to use their competition layer zero for launching that bridge. So what we actually did was we told Chainlink that we appreciate all their help and we would love to work with them in the future. But for this particular bridge, we have to go with a product that actually exists, and their engineers understood the situation, and it wasn't exactly like killing anything, right? the reason why we didn't have any other announcements with regards to Chainlink was because we're like we're in a bear, and our market cap is going down, and obviously Chainlink wouldn't want to have anything to do with us for that reason, right? It's like it's like a tarnishing for their particular brand. It has nothing to do with not using their particular tech for a particular bridge.
DonPiFF_ Okay, let me read. Can I read something to you?
alex_eph612 Sure.
DonPiFF_ Okay. Coming from you, you. This is what you wrote at 1220 9p.m. I don't know the date.
alex_eph612 Okay. Go ahead. Okay.
DonPiFF_ There was some listen. There was some internal decision in AC regarding keeping Chainlink in the pipeline. I told them that. If the decision is entertained to go with Chainlink, I would D-Rix today. I woke up to 70 messages of discussions about Chainlink and had to prove a point. The point wasn't for me to make any money. It was ultimately for the APU community to have less. Now we're all back on the same page again. Sometimes strong actions need to be taken.
alex_eph612 Right,
DonPiFF_ Alex, Alex, Alex.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I stand by those words, and I would do it again. The issue is that we could be. You see
DonPiFF_ that right there is causing friction in relationship. Let's get all right. Let's move forward. Leave that alone.
alex_eph612 Okay, man.
DonPiFF_ Why did we get these listed from Kraken? You know or no?
alex_eph612 Yeah, I do know.
DonPiFF_ Why?
alex_eph612 Because 5g stopped paying the market maker, so we couldn't meet our KPIs, Alex. I mean, literally, that's literally the reason.
DonPiFF_ Let's stop blaming 5g. Okay,
alex_eph612 someone stopped paying the market maker. That's why we got delisted from Kraken, and that's why we got delisted from MEXC and all those other exchanges.
DonPiFF_ All right, buddy. Okay, so if 5g stopped paying the market maker. Why couldn't we, the community, step forward and pay the market maker?
alex_eph612 Well, a lot of the community got into APU at higher market caps than it currently is, including the whales. So they don't feel like spending any more money on a project that they've already they're already down 90%
DonPiFF_ on. All right, but okay. So, didn't you make a market maker? Why didn't that market maker help us with cracking?
alex_eph612 So, I didn't make a market maker. I started a project that would eventually have resulted in a software-based market maker. The problem is, is that you cannot have software ready on day one, right? So, my plan, and you know, the plan was to build out this software to be ready at the end of Q4 of 2024. And as soon as I got wind of the fact that you know our market maker got delisted, I immediately started this project and I found a co-founder who actually quit his job to come work for me. But you know the software isn't ready, and we weren't able to like meet the deadlines that were required of us.
DonPiFF_ You know, I see. Yeah, I see, man. It's all good though. You think Kraken's gonna relist? I made myself laugh. I wouldn't even want to be listening on cracking, cracking. Fuck you.
alex_eph612 Yeah. So it's if APU like goes back on an upward trajectory, or like rather when, then yeah, they're
DonPiFF_ gonna be knocking. They'll be knocking. No,
alex_eph612 exactly. But the thing is, is like we don't even know how many like real legitimate customers are even left on Kraken.
DonPiFF_ No, Kraken's a tier one. Hey, let's relax.
alex_eph612 I get that Kraken is a tier one. However, Kraken is the lowest tier one of all the tier ones, and in terms of meme coin purchases, they're actually bottom of the barrel.
DonPiFF_ What other meme coins, like top meme coins, are on Kraken? If you know from the top of your head.
alex_eph612 Oh, what I'm just what I'm saying is like there's hundreds of meme coins listed on Kraken, but in terms of actual buyers, there's not that many because Kraken's like Kraken's customer base isn't all that interested in meme coins for whatever reason.
DonPiFF_ Ah, okay, but going to Kraken. You said lots of trading on Kraken, no real risk of delist.
alex_eph612 Yes, that's true.
DonPiFF_ And then, and then what happened?
alex_eph612 So,
DonPiFF_ and now you're blaming the market maker, puppy, puppy. What on earth, Alex? I need three, four questions, answers, man.
alex_eph612 Hey, listen, I can always give you a straightforward answer. You don't have to repeat my name 10 times after every question.
DonPiFF_ But I'm joking. So,
alex_eph612 yes, there was lots of trading on Kraken.
DonPiFF_ And what happened? What happened? I'll
alex_eph612 tell you
DonPiFF_ from when you when you posted that in the Telegram to now, what happened? Okay, because it sure wasn't the market maker. The market maker. When did we lose the market maker?
alex_eph612 I'll answer your first question.
DonPiFF_ All right, go ahead.
alex_eph612 With regards to trading, so trading is another term for volume, right? A lot of people think that all you need to be listed on exchange is volume, but that's not true. You also need to have your spread less than a certain percentage, and you have to have your order book to have depth. If you're lacking these two things, then the exchange is going to delist you, and these are things that the market maker manages. A lot of people think that market makers all they do is trade back and forth, and this creates volume, and this lets you know this prevents you from delisting. But this is not the case at all. You need to have significant order book depth, which is managed by the market maker. Essentially, you provide them with in. Which is another word for money. They take that money and they put it on the order book on Kraken to allow their customers to be able to buy large amounts of your token in size. You know something like 10s of 1000s of dollars without with minimal slippage. If you're not able to meet that key Performance indicator. Kraken is going to delist you. So if you don't have an active market maker managing all of this stuff for you, and you don't have sufficient interest in your coin organically from the customers that are buying it and selling it on Kraken, then Kraken is going to delist.
DonPiFF_ Damn! So we fucked up.
alex_eph612 Yeah. So to answer your second question, we essentially were caught between a rock and a hard place with regards to paying the market maker. We had provided them with inventory, but that inventory had dwindled to an amount that was so small that they couldn't put it on the order book and they couldn't trade with it accurately or adequately. And as a result, they had no choice. And
DonPiFF_ but did they give did they give anyone warnings that this was coming, or just from one day to another? See you later. No,
alex_eph612 I mean there was plenty of warnings, like
DonPiFF_ so who did they speak to? That's what I want to know. Who were they reaching out to?
alex_eph612 Both 5g and myself were
DonPiFF_ all right. So, what was the last message that Kraken messaged you? What was it before the delist? What did they say?
alex_eph612 Are you talking about before they ended our contract? So, okay. So the
DonPiFF_ the
alex_eph612 market maker doesn't handle listings. They just no. I'm
DonPiFF_ talking about Kraken itself. Kraken. Oh,
alex_eph612 okay. I thought you were talking about the market maker. So, no, Kraken didn't give us any warning. They just basically people woke up one day and they saw the email, and then that's it. And by the time that it was delisted, between the moment when we ended our contract with the market maker and the time that it was delisted was approximately three months. So we knew this was coming.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, I remember you said something like that.
alex_eph612 But like, in terms of the actual date, we didn't know when the actual date would be when they delist. They simply like look at their own internal metrics and figure out which coins are no longer serving their interests. Ah, but yeah,
DonPiFF_ this doesn't look this doesn't look good for us. I think I'm not gonna lie to you.
alex_eph612 These sorts of things happen in a bear market, you know.
DonPiFF_ Not necessarily. Look at what about Pepe? Pepe's probably on cracking. That shit moving like a big girl.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I get it. But
DonPiFF_ SPX is on cracking. That shit ain't getting these lists.
alex_eph612 Yeah, and the you know these are all they're on the surface these coins look like they're you know organic and all this stuff but behind the scenes there are players out there that you know pick and choose certain coins and crime them up and you know that sort of thing like if you're in APU
DonPiFF_ yeah
alex_eph612 you're in APU for a very specific reason. I think it's because you're tired of all the bullshit that's going on in this industry, and you just want to, you know, be in a in a true, organic meme coin community without all this crime and all this bullshit. And eventually, you know, this sort of stuff gets reflected in the market cap, like if you yourself are interested in being in a true and organic meme coin community, and you're in the middle of a bear, and there's not a lot of money, and there's not a lot of people left who are interested in this sort of thing, eventually, you know, your thesis is sort of like proven wrong because now no one else other than you believes it, right? And you know this is sort of like a thing that happens in bear markets, because you know theses that
DonPiFF_ I got a question that just popped in my what coin? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I think this is a good one too. What coin has been delisted from tier ones, right, and had a back run up? You know any?
alex_eph612 So off the top of my head, no, and that's because I don't really like I'm not a trader. I don't know. I don't have much. About that, but like, I can try to find that out real quick.
DonPiFF_ Nah, nah, nah, you don't gotta do all that. I was just wondering if you knew. Yeah, Jesus. So, what are plans? What are the plans for APU? Let me hear this, Alex. Alex,
alex_eph612 plans for APU.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, like what? What are we doing? Like, is there anything going? Like, you know, I don't know. Just questions I'm asking off the top of the head. You know, I'm a spitter. Pause.
alex_eph612 There is something that someone said.
DonPiFF_ What? I
alex_eph612 was actually talking about this earlier yesterday with someone in Capital Flow, and he essentially just said that white papers and roadmaps and plans are bearish for meme coins because the more info you give people, the more they start thinking logically, and that it's best to keep people in the unknown because it causes the most FOMO. He said nothing makes someone buy back into a coin they sold, which they didn't have any information on that coin that starts pumping right after they sold it, and it really makes them FOMO back in without thinking properly. And I replied that actually makes sense because they still have the original thesis cultivated in their mind, and all they need is a green candle to buy back in. It looks like Bonk was delisted from Binance in 2024, and then it had a huge run. Let me see. So look at some charts and see if I can find out a coin that was listed, and then got delisted, and then went up.
DonPiFF_ This Alex.
alex_eph612 Yep.
DonPiFF_ I think this space has turned out to be an interview instead of a space. Yeah, that's his walking dog. You know.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ I don't know where anybody else is at, man.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I had hoped that Sauce would join us, but it looks like.
DonPiFF_ Why wouldn't he? Why doesn't he want to join?
alex_eph612 I don't know. I don't know about him wanting or not wanting. I think it's more like he has other priorities. Like I, I hear him like coming on the group chats for a little bit and talking a bunch, and then saying that he's going to do all this stuff, and then he just drops off for the for a couple days.
DonPiFF_ July 2025. Jesus Christ! So right now, Pepe. Wait, what? Popcorn talking, man. Something. What happened at the end of July 2025? No clue. Pepe. October. What's the date? October 7, minus 60% SPX. Okay, 60% SPX 78% Bitcoin 87% Giga 87% and Apu 95% Holy shit!
alex_eph612 So this is
DonPiFF_ like, I don't know what he means by what happened at the end of July 2025. You know? Do you know? Do you have an idea or no? Oh, I think I do. I think it popped up in my head, and I didn't have a problem with it. Listen, listen, chat, listen. I didn't have a problem with the whale NFTs. I'm trying to cop one. I buy one right now if I could, but I'm a little broke here. Alex, what was your ideas when that was being made? Like, what did you think? Like, what was? Why did you think you got so much hate for the whale NFTs? Is that what does he imply? Did well NFTs come at the end of July, 2025, or no?
alex_eph612 I'd have to look and figure it out. I think it was September of 2027. Oh, sorry, September 2025. Because I remember they launched when. Powell was doing his speech at FOMC, and it was september 17, 2025, when they went live.
DonPiFF_ Well, okay, what were your thoughts? Like, how did you come up with that concept? Well, NFT. Okay,
alex_eph612 so I actually can talk about that. Let me find it. So,
DonPiFF_ and another question after that: Why do you think you got so much hate
alex_eph612 about NFTs?
DonPiFF_ About anything, yo, Alex. You the you got hate from a lot of people, and y'all fuck with you. You feel me? I fuck with you. I'm gonna pool APU.
alex_eph612 Okay, I don't have a problem with anyone in APU. I mean, as long as you are not a scammer and you're not stealing money, you know, I don't really have a problem with you. But as far as like people having a problem with okay, okay,
DonPiFF_ hold on. Let's rephrase that. Let's rephrase that. Let's rephrase it too. Maybe you know I fuck with 5g. I fuck with 5g. I didn't mention 5g. I'm just saying I don't like nobody stealing money. No, but stealing money or let's rephrase that too. Maybe mismanaging funds or you know, and a bear, you know.
alex_eph612 Okay, let the wallet got hit. Let me let me just put it this way. I'm not how
DonPiFF_ much APU. I'm not implying
alex_eph612 anything. I'm not implying. Okay, but APU. It's
DonPiFF_ about what 400 mil APU in the wallet.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ right now
alex_eph612 380. Okay, yeah,
DonPiFF_ 380. Okay, let that shit run up. How much you got in there? Let me know. Massive, massive amounts. If you run it back to all-time high, how much is that worth? That's over hundreds of 1000.
alex_eph612 Okay,
DonPiFF_ you know what I'm saying.
alex_eph612 Here, let's backtrack a little bit.
DonPiFF_ You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, skip that. If someone says, if
alex_eph612 someone says, I don't like people who scam.
DonPiFF_ Yeah,
alex_eph612 I think that's a legitimate position to hold. That's not saying that someone scammed. That's just saying I don't like people who scam. Now, if like if you're in like a prison lineup, if you're like in a jail lineup, and say and you say I don't like people who scam, and all of a sudden someone jumps up and says I'm not a scammer, you know. You're going to start asking questions. You know that's exactly what's happening here. I didn't even mention 5G. I just said I don't like scammers, and you're like, well, 5G is not a scammer. But
DonPiFF_ no, no, no, no, no, no. I did not. Hey, this is being recorded. It is being recorded. I said,
alex_eph612 yeah, we're going to look at the record. We're going to see that you did exactly that. No,
DonPiFF_ you said scamming, and I said no. You said stealing money. I said mismanaging funds.
alex_eph612 Yeah, okay.
DonPiFF_ But let's get off that topic. Let's get off that topic. Talk about that, please. I'm gonna tell you. You got a lot of hate. I'm gonna tell you hating on that man, and that man, yo, did a lot for motherfucking APU, Alex.
alex_eph612 He did do a lot for APU,
DonPiFF_ and he, and you know, he did a lot. He did a lot for our pool, man. Yeah,
alex_eph612 we were lucky to have him in his capacity.
DonPiFF_ And shit, if and if let's, you know, Faji, if you're hearing me right now, baby girl, you know that pool with the APU team still trying to recruit. How long come through? How long? I continue, Alex.
alex_eph612 Okay,
DonPiFF_ because this is an interview. Nobody else wants to talk about. I don't
alex_eph612 care. We can do it as an interview style. But
DonPiFF_ I guess we're gonna be interviewing you every week.
alex_eph612 Okay. So I'm gonna tell you exactly how this idea for whale NFTs came about.
DonPiFF_ Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, beautiful. Thank you. I love I love your brain because you're gonna fall off topic. I don't like an ADHD a little bit, but I go crazy. Continue, sir.
alex_eph612 There was a guy named Leon Aboud, I believe, and he was a marketing expert who was involved in a token called Rect, and he essentially he brought Rect to the public sphere by making it a drink, like an energy drink, and a lot of people attributed Rect's success to that physical product. So I listened to his interview, and it brought me back to the success of my first company, which was Image Shack, a media hosting company, and I started kind of like info dumping to the whales about my involvement with that company. So I essentially said, if you have marketing experts engaging in the sort of public discourse of what works, that means that the attention economy dynamic is close to being solved. The people making the most money in this space are those that are solving a problem for multiple projects, and as he. Said he's project and coin agnostic, and he says that oh, what this means is that no matter who wins or fails, he still wins, and this kind of hearkens back to the idea of selling shovels to people who were involved in the gold rush. So the people that were actually involved in the gold rush had very little success overall, but the people that were selling the excavation equipment and the mining equipment were the ones that were making the most money. So, what my idea was essentially to bring the prestige of being involved in APU to the broader crypto ecosystem, and I had explained how I had done something in my first company that cultivated a lot of success. So I created a program there called Imma Chuck Crusaders, and these people were given a forum signature Graphic. If they introduced a new forum to my company, Image Shack, so essentially they would become Image Shack brand ambassadors, introducing Image Shack to hundreds of new forums that I didn't even know about. The idea was to use their clout in their own ecosystems for my company. These people were deeply ingrained in whatever community they were involved in, be it car forums, fitness forums, etc. They were trusted and respected in those communities. I leveraged that trust and respect for my own company. In doing so, ImageCheck became the premier image host for the world. Became the number seven website by traffic between the years 2005 through 2007, and I took significant market share from other competing platforms because I gave these so-called crusaders recognition and respect for their hard work, and then I tied it back in. Okay, okay. So I tied it back to the whale side, and I said, for APU, I was whole. I was working on the whale side for quite some time. My ultimate goal was to unborg whales from other ecosystems into APU, and then give them a token of appreciation that they can use to brag to their existing high net worth individuals. You know, something they can say, "Look, I'm in APU whale. So it doesn't, it didn't mean much now, but the very action of buying a billion of poo tokens would have created the type of hype that was necessary for a parabolic movement that would make saying "I'm an APU whale" something that is both legitimate and meaningful to the broader ecosystem. So my focus was on high net worth relationship building, and I believe that the ecosystem would have fallen in line if we had whales buying in size.
DonPiFF_ Okay.
alex_eph612 So my yeah,
DonPiFF_ I see. So my idea
alex_eph612 was to approach people at the founder level of the companies with which we had partnered, and get their actual founders to buy enough Apu so that they could get an Apu whale NFT and join our community. So the companies themselves can't buy APU because that would present a conflict of interest. But the individuals involved in those projects could, and my hope and expectation was to impress those players with this sort of project, with the sort of sense of professionalism that is otherwise lacking in crypto, to the extent that they would feel it absolutely necessary to hold a whale-sized position, and the success of this plan would have driven a parabolic movement that would simply not have been ignored by the broader ecosystem. So, while I was talking with this, like 5g was listening. This was august 6 of 2025 in Whale Chat, and here's what he said. This is me quoting him word for word. He said, "This is one of the most thoughtful and strategic breakdowns I've ever seen on whale onboarding. The image check comparison nails it. If we can make I'm in APU whale a status symbol. With this approach, it changes everything. Count me in. I love this vision, Alex. Right. So I'm gonna say, like right now, whale NFTs.
DonPiFF_ I listen, listen. My opinion on them. I go. I rock with them because y'all listen. I want one. I ain't gonna.
alex_eph612 Well, yeah. And
DonPiFF_ and if you ever thought of gifting one to non-well, you know I'm
alex_eph612 here. I get that,
DonPiFF_ Alex. Alex, I am here.
alex_eph612 I get it.
DonPiFF_ Shout out to Hold on. Shout out to my boy Oden. Odin just joined. The billing, Odin, your masterpiece. I love you forever. You are.
alex_eph612 Yeah, Odin.
DonPiFF_ Click on my profile. Just click on my profile. Look at the work he's done for me.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ Can you do that real quick, Alex? Go on my profile.
alex_eph612 I think I've seen it. Yeah.
DonPiFF_ No, just go. Let me see. Look at that. That's Odin's work right there from the PFP to my banner.
alex_eph612 Yeah, Odin is a very capable individual. I have a lot of. I'm in the process
DonPiFF_ right now. Listen, I don't want to say so much because Green might be hearing me. I'm in the process of something. It's blacklisted right now, but when it gets not blacklisted, it's going to be mine.
alex_eph612 I get it,
DonPiFF_ Green.
alex_eph612 Well, I hope that I hope that it works out for you. I know how much you like NFTs? No, no, no, no,
DonPiFF_ no, no. I don't know. I spent a little bit too much on them.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Top goer
DonPiFF_ has joined the building. Top goer, yes. I'm doing that right now. I owe you 400. It's going right now to you. How? You know, like ever since I invested in NFTs, my money went down. I'm not a good NFT investor.
alex_eph612 You know, there's only like 10 projects you could have invested in all of crypto that would have made your money go up from 2004 to 2026.
DonPiFF_ What in NFTs?
alex_eph612 Well, I'm just saying, 99.99% of everything is down, so it's very likely that whatever it is that you put your money in is down as well.
DonPiFF_ Ah, so but it's gonna bubble back. Well, that's all that matters.
alex_eph612 That goes that goes without saying. I'm just saying like a lot of people are in the same boat as you.
DonPiFF_ But yeah, look at look at my boy Odin. He's my brother. You know why? Because look at this PFP, and like I'm on. We the juices in this bitch.
alex_eph612 Yeah, very impressive.
DonPiFF_ But you know who has the juice too? Shout out to Green. You grape you. I mean, not even say the word. If you catch my drift, oh,
alex_eph612 you know, a lot of people they think that I don't like Green, but that's not true. You know, just because he doesn't like me doesn't mean I don't like him. I have a lot of a lot of a lot of respect for Green. I'll tell you this right now because he sold his chain link to buy 6.5 billion in APU. If everyone in Apu sold their chain link to buy APU. It would be amazing.
DonPiFF_ It would be amazing. It would be yes. It would be. It would be amazing. Not a bella. Yeah,
alex_eph612 and I basically like. Long story short, I invested in Apu because I believed in the thesis that people who were invested in these VC-backed tech tokens would start buying Apu in size. So naturally, Green did that. It validated my thesis about the project, right? I know I've been telling people that if you're in APU, you have to dump your VC back to tech tokens in order to be like successful. And Green did do that, so it validated my thesis, and I was extremely proud of him for doing that. It takes a lot of balls, and I had a lot of respect for him for that reason.
DonPiFF_ And you still have respect for him right now. Yeah, he sold us APU, but maybe he come back to us, Green. You know, APU's waiting. Here's
alex_eph612 the thing: like, I don't want anyone to lose money, and I feel I feel bad that Green had made a few recent decisions that cost him some money. You know, but hopefully he kind of comes to his senses and doesn't put in more good money in after bad.
DonPiFF_ You can't, you can't say that because I've been putting in money, good money, and it's just been going down for me too.
alex_eph612 I understand that, but
DonPiFF_ Lord, and Alex, Alex got money like you, my boy. I'm in the hood.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ you feel me? You eating ribs every night? You eating? You eating? What you ate last this time? What you say you ate today?
alex_eph612 I ate a salad today.
DonPiFF_ No, no, I mean yesterday. You have to have ribeye. I eat. I'm not eating. I'm fucking eating. I.
alex_eph612 Okay.
DonPiFF_ What the fuck? When was
alex_eph612 last time you had DoorDash?
DonPiFF_ even tell you. I don't order that shit. That shit charging me like 20 of fucking extra. Yeah,
alex_eph612 if people that you know, people could be eating ribeyes if they stop smoking so much weed and ordering so much duration.
DonPiFF_ Listen, I'm not sober, Papa. That's good.
alex_eph612 I'm just saying, most people are not. Most people are happy just you know, being vegetables.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, you know you so you say you never smoke.
alex_eph612 I have, but it doesn't it doesn't agree with me, so I don't do it regularly.
DonPiFF_ So what you've been drinking? You've been drinking that wine, huh? You've been drinking that fancy wine. I hear it in your voice.
alex_eph612 I've been drinking a lot of wine recently, actually.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, how do I? Hear that in your voice, because you sitting back. Listen, you sitting back on a few M's, and this APU really don't really bother you right now. You know that don't really bother your investment in APU. Don't really bother.
alex_eph612 You're right. It doesn't bother me. But in terms of like, you're right. It doesn't bother me. But it really kind of annoys me that you know I play to win. You know I have a I have a very competitive spirit.
DonPiFF_ I love it. I like that. And
alex_eph612 I'm not I'm obviously not happy with the way that my poo investment has been going, but I'm trying not to have it affect me. But I'll tell you that it doesn't really help when you have a bunch of like people crawling out of the woodwork to hate on you for reasons that they don't even understand. Like a lot of the stuff they that they have beef with, they're kind of taking out of context. They're just repeating words that other people have told them that they don't like care to look. You
DonPiFF_ know what I would you know what I would love and I want to get it together. I'm gonna try getting it together. Hope if other guys is in the belly.
alex_eph612 What's that?
DonPiFF_ We should have a sit down. Why doesn't everybody talk?
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ you feel? No, I get
alex_eph612 it.
DonPiFF_ That won't be bad. Little popcorn in here, ban in here. Why don't we talk and the hostility? You know, we just chilling and just communicating over some wine and steak. I mean, not me because I ain't got that right now.
alex_eph612 Well, you know, here's the thing: they're free to come here, right? But whenever they run a space, I get banned.
DonPiFF_ No, it's not that you. I don't know. I mean, I can't speak for. I don't know. I can't. I can't talk on that because I don't know what happened. No, I
alex_eph612 get it.
DonPiFF_ You know, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be back on hosting APU.
router176_ How's she even doing that?
DonPiFF_ What is that?
5headBera Orange. Maybe she pulled through.
DonPiFF_ Into the hall. Let me see. Should I order something for them? Yo, Alex. So, you wouldn't be. I mean, I'm not. I'm not thinking. Like, let's say they moose. I don't know. I can't even. I'm. I'm stuttering. Like, I would love for them to join, and you., and you. We just all talk, you know, and bring the frog back to where it's supposed to be. You know what I'm saying?
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ What's a better What's a better exchange than Kraken? Tier One, give me one.
alex_eph612 Binance, Coinbase.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, but Binance and Coinbase. And now you've messed with big dollars, and you need big dollars to get there.
alex_eph612 But you know, the question was the question was what's better, and there's only two that are better, and there's only really three or four.
DonPiFF_ Also, there's only like four exchanges, yeah,
alex_eph612 that have any sort of like actual people trading on them,
DonPiFF_ and then Kraken was what the bottom there. Yeah, but you know what's really weird? I thought I heard Blew a few months ago saying he could get us delisted from Kraken. I thought that was a rumor
alex_eph612 that he could get us delisted.
DonPiFF_ Yeah.
alex_eph612 So like he was threatening to get us delisted.
DonPiFF_ I think I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm talking bullshit, but I thought I wrote I read that a long time ago. Listen, you saw that guy that blew last interviewed. What was his name?
alex_eph612 Was that Max?
DonPiFF_ Was it Max? The guy with like mad money, and he got Land Wolf, Andy. That's it. Yeah. Okay. Is he selling as APU? He's still holding.
alex_eph612 He has not been selling his APU.
DonPiFF_ He's been holding APU. So, what do you think his thoughts are on of him of Kraken? What do you think his thoughts are?
alex_eph612 Well, I can only guess, but
DonPiFF_ yeah. So you could guess this guy.
alex_eph612 He has a very long time horizon, so he's comfortable holding through the bear. I feel like the amount of money that he's invested in Poo is very insignificant to him. So it's unlikely that he will spaz out about our delisting.
DonPiFF_ So the delisting is a big thing, but it's not a big thing.
alex_eph612 It's not a huge deal.
DonPiFF_ So how? So oh, so we're gonna get volume from the shit you're talking about, like the apps.
alex_eph612 Well,
DonPiFF_ that's how we would get. Here's the
alex_eph612 thing, like
DonPiFF_ I don't know, but if Ethereum goes up, a fucking basically APU goes up. That's
alex_eph612 true,
DonPiFF_ because it's the same liquidity pool. I mean, that's our highest liquidity pool.
alex_eph612 That's right.
DonPiFF_ I'm learning a thing or two. Listen, I might be a little low, but you know I'm low, low. No, I
alex_eph612 get it. But yeah, to your comment about volume from these apps, I mean, yeah, they do have a lot of customers, but apps in and of themselves don't actually drive people. To buy that just make it easier for them to do so. So once the bear market is over, a lot of people are going to be signing up, signing onto these apps, and you know buying meme coins again. And if Ethereum, Ethereum has been stagnating. Ethereum is basically kind of like really poised for a breakout hate rally, you know, to catch up with everything that has been ripping, and obviously a lot of meme coins that have paired liquidity pools with Ethereum would also start going up as well.
DonPiFF_ Ah, okay.
alex_eph612 So yeah, it's just a matter of macro and market conditions. And
DonPiFF_ all right, let me ask this. My bad. Okay, so, you see the NFTs, right? Yeah. Okay, I just bought my one on one, right?
alex_eph612 Okay.
DonPiFF_ Let's say Ethereum rips at 10 bands, right? My one on one. So I paid more than okay. Let's say my alien. I paid a little less than one ETH for from Bain. Shout out to Bain. Thank you so much for that first alien you ever sold me. I a little bit less than an ETH, right? But let's say I paid an ETH. ETH rips a 10k. That's gonna be worth 10 bands, no?
alex_eph612 Well, not exactly. Because
DonPiFF_ one ETH, one ETH.
alex_eph612 So if Ethereum rips to 10k, you know a lot of models they get kind of thrown out the window. You really have no capped upside for the meme coins that are paired with Ethereum. So you might have a lot of interest in OG meme coins, especially after Vitalik yesterday essentially made a position against Alana, like a public one. He essentially said that Pump Fun is a predatory extraction system from a crypto ecosystem. Yeah, so it's nice to have him, you know, kind of like care about this sort of thing.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, but it doesn't seem like he's pushing. What is he doing for Ethereum? What's he doing? Well, I don't
alex_eph612 follow Ethereum policy.
DonPiFF_ That shit. That should been fucking down bad. Just sideways action. And I got Tom Lee over here still raising my hopes up, saying that ETH's going to 250. What's wrong with Tom Lee? Bitmine. What's going on with that guy?
alex_eph612 I don't know
DonPiFF_ him. You don't know Tom Lee?
alex_eph612 No.
DonPiFF_ Yes, the fuck you do.
alex_eph612 You know, I'm always, I'm always going to be honest with you.
DonPiFF_ Okay, Tom Lee, that dude that invests a hell of money in Ethereum, saying Ethereum is going to rip to 250 bands.
alex_eph612 You know that seems kind of a high target.
DonPiFF_ Or 20, he said like Ethereum's going to be worth 25k at the end of the year.
alex_eph612 That seems like a high target.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, what do you think Ethereum's going to? Let me hear this.
alex_eph612 I don't think that we're going to see an all time high for Ethereum in Q4 of 2026. That's really the best projection I can make. It's possible that we're going to start seeing positive price action for Ethereum beginning Q1 27.
DonPiFF_ Okay, Ethereum. I don't even know. I'm like I just, Alex, Alex, I just need my frog to move.
alex_eph612 You and me both.
DonPiFF_ You know, my frog, my back bent down. Since you know, nah, but listen, the only reason I really invest the most money I ever seen in my life is in the frog.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ you know what I'm saying, like. And now I got my bag that I've been grinding. Alex, I messaged you. Let me see. Go to your Twitter thing. Once a lot. When did I message you? Remember, I messaged you.
alex_eph612 huh.
DonPiFF_ Okay, I messaged you august 19, 2025. Yo, Alex, been in APU since drop. I was at 100. Oh my God, I was only at 100 Million there,
alex_eph612 yeah.
DonPiFF_ These yeah, you see 100 million, bro. I only added about 400 million to my bag, bro. Plus another one or 120. I almost got 700, but bro, okay, six five. I added about 500 million since August 2025, bro. It's been over a year. That's crazy. Nah, I haven't been putting in work. All right, haven't been put in the work. I need to put more. The funder there, 20 vehicles and salon tokens. He's a 5k of lock liquidity. All right, baby girl. Ah, APU has always been funded, and there are like 20-figure pools and soul tokens. That was September. You told me that.
alex_eph612 Yeah, let me find the chat that I have with you.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, the first message I ever messaged you august 19, and then I was like, "How the fuck? How?" The fuck is how? How the fuck is those fuckers up 120% on the bootleg Solapoo Last Green Candle? All due to the domain. Now they rock each other. Oh, that's funny.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ that's funny.
alex_eph612 Yeah, if you remember all the stuff that I told you, all that ended up being accurate.
DonPiFF_ 5k of block liquidity each. I mean, yeah, you only told me APU has always been funded, and there are 20 fake pools on salt tokens in the Solana graveyard with 5k of block liquidity each. This is no different.
alex_eph612 Yeah, a lot of people were really worried about Apu on Seoul, the Maxian Grape one. I was,
DonPiFF_ I was worried. I wasn't worried, but I was like, "Yo, fuck, you know.
alex_eph612 Yeah. But like, if you start spazzing out in the bear market and making irrational decisions, you're gonna, you're gonna quickly be humbled.
DonPiFF_ See what happens, you know. Let's. Oh, somebody requested. Finally, who the hell is this? You're. Router, who's that? Oh, I saw. Hello, Router. I am Router. I believe Cheese and Solana embodies the solar. Okay. Yo, Ryder, what's up?
router176_ Hey, what's good, bro? I just wanted to come in and make sure everything's good with you, boys.
DonPiFF_ Alex, that's your man.
alex_eph612 So Router is a very deranged individual. One day, he reached out to me and said, "Hey, I bought one. I bought 3% I bought 1% of APU. And usually, I kind of like ignore that sort of thing. I don't really believe it when people tell me that sort of thing. But then I'm like, there was a lot of buys this morning. If this guy's telling the truth, so I started like digging around and finding that wallet that he had used to buy APU with, and turns out that he actually did buy 3.3 billion tokens for about 60 grand
DonPiFF_ once a day.
alex_eph612 Not today, but months ago, he did it in about a span of a few hours, I think.
DonPiFF_ Wow, nice! That's round of applause to you. He's still holding, or he's sold. Yeah, he's still holding.
router176_ I'm holding. I, in my opinion, Apu is like I've been watching it for a long time, and in my opinion, it's at like the bottom right now. So like these are pretty good prices to get in on it because this is like one of those coins that's gonna really like go really in my like if you're even in meme coins right now, there's really no reason to not be buying Aqua. This is like your best chance. That's
DonPiFF_ my thought. I like this guy. Hey, guess what? Let me follow you.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I didn't expect. Honestly, I didn't expect him to buy APU. It was it was a surprise to me.
DonPiFF_ Yeah,
alex_eph612 but you know, it kind of proves the thesis of sideline liquidity. Like you, you have a lot of people out there that know about Apu and they have their money parked in other investments, and all they need is just that tiny little push. And usually the chart does the marketing. Yeah, but
DonPiFF_ our chart our chart ain't really doing no marketing for us right now.
alex_eph612 That's true. But what I'm saying is like, let's say there is a breakout at some point in the future, all of the guys that have their sideline liquidity are going to start aping into APU,
DonPiFF_ yeah. Because
alex_eph612 they know about it, and
DonPiFF_ it only takes off one green, one nice candle rip up to really throw away months of fucking down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
alex_eph612 exactly.
DonPiFF_ You know what I mean?
alex_eph612 I do.
router176_ Yeah, you guys are building a lot of support here. You know, in my opinion, like the outreach that's been going on for all the whales and stuff, and like all this, you know, politic. the fact that you're get, you know, it's a game of addition. At the end of the day, we're trying to bring people into Apu, and I think you guys are doing a great job. And you know, you got dedicated holders at this level, and once it goes up, you're just going to bring more dedicated holders in. And in my opinion, with Apu, it's kind of a rare coin where it's like the marketing kind of, you know, it does its own marketing in a way because like it's everywhere, like in 4chan, it's everywhere in Twitter. So yeah, it's gonna do very well.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I agree with you, but you know, I have kind of a question that I've been many. To ask you, I've noticed that you have a specific taste in women router. I was hoping that you could kind of shed on shed a light on that and tell us more about that.
router176_ Yeah. Well, if you just take a look at my post history, you'll see my proclivities. Dare I say so? You know, I have a yeah. So nowadays, I haven't been around as much. I've been a little busy with certain things. But one of these days, I'll you know hopefully be back doing MySpace as well. But like yeah, I've been a little bit preoccupied to say the least.
alex_eph612 I see.
router176_ If you catch my drift.
alex_eph612 No, I get it. Well, I'm. I'm glad that it makes you happy.
router176_ Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
alex_eph612 That's funny. I'm imagining you as the little cheese mouse rat thing, just sitting and just being just sat on by the biggest woman you can imagine, just being absolutely just suffocated by her.
router176_ Yep, I've been in those situations lots of times. I can't, I can't complain. You know what I'm saying? No,
alex_eph612 I get it.
router176_ Do you guys typically talk in the APU capital flow most of the time? You don't use the comfy chat as much.
alex_eph612 Yeah, that's where everyone has moved to.
router176_ Okay, that's cool.
alex_eph612 huh. Okay, everyone.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, I'm trying to get my hands. I'm really trying to get my hands on 1 billion APU. You gotta,
alex_eph612 you gotta finesse.
DonPiFF_ How the Alex, you've been saying finesse, and I can't. I'm not good at that. How do I get somebody to buy 900 million APU. 12 bands.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
Fren 4 How?
DonPiFF_ Why don't you help me? Help me. Help me. Why don't you get a few whales and you give me the bounty? Like I just need a few bounties.
alex_eph612 You just need a couple bounties, huh?
DonPiFF_ That's it. That's
alex_eph612 it.
DonPiFF_ Who? Oh wait, who got the bounty for this guy? Who got the bounty for him? I'm claiming it now, mr. One.
router176_ Yeah, that's mr. One. That's actually part of the reason I. Well, that's when I got the signal that I'm officially going into Opu because mr. One, he's actually like the cheese dev in a way, and I guess part of the reason of buying APU, not really, because I know it's going to go up anyway. But like part of the reason I like to keep tabs on Mister One, so it's kind of like
Fren 5 who the fuck is
alex_eph612 Mister
DonPiFF_ One? Who is that?
router176_ He's a he's the
alex_eph612 cheese CTO leader.
DonPiFF_ I don't know who's what cheese is.
alex_eph612 It's a meme coin
DonPiFF_ that you created, not me. No.
alex_eph612 Well, it was launched by some, you know, just like Apu, you know, there was a there was a dev that rubbed the coin, and then mr. One CTOed it.
DonPiFF_ Now where's she's now?
router176_ Is that like a 300k market cap? So it's not like a heat gun.
DonPiFF_ What did it run up to? It went up to 30,000,030. mil. Jesus Christ!
router176_ It's on Solana.
DonPiFF_ Okay. How much you hold of it, Alex?
alex_eph612 None.
DonPiFF_ You sold it all.
alex_eph612 I did.
DonPiFF_ Jesus.
router176_ Alex used to be a and still kind of is cheese public enemy number one
DonPiFF_ for cheese.
router176_ Yeah,
DonPiFF_ there's a few sides to Alex. I've been hearing a few coins like a white one. What's that one called? A
alex_eph612 white one. What do you mean?
DonPiFF_ Cocaine? No.
alex_eph612 Oh, cocaine. Yeah.
DonPiFF_ That's was. that? Never heard of that one.
alex_eph612 I found it on 4chan, and I told the APU whales about it, and then it ran up to 10 million, and then it dumped.
DonPiFF_ Oh, wasn't that the one that Ramsa put 60 bands in? And then you had to pay, and then you paid him back as a good guy. I
alex_eph612 don't remember how much he put in. He sold 30 million of poo, at basically nearly the top. I think like
DonPiFF_ Jesus.
alex_eph612 So I gotta do a calculation.
DonPiFF_ You know, gotta do all that. You know, I just shit I heard. Where's Ramza been at? I see just liked one of my posts today.
alex_eph612 Ramza is taking a mental health break. Yeah,
DonPiFF_ because you talk mad shit to him. You gotta let that man rock.
alex_eph612 Ramza has his makes his own problems. I think.
DonPiFF_ Yeah.. Yeah. I fuck with Odin. Like he blessed my chart. He blessed me. He blessed my page.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Odin
DonPiFF_ Blackhone. Odin, you own Blackhorn. Come up here real quick. How do I bring Odin up here? Let me do that. Odin speaks or no? Come up here. You have Black Coin in your motherfucking bio, Odin. You rocking with Maxi? Isn't that the Max? Isn't that the Maxi coin?
alex_eph612 Maxie's in Blackcoin. I never noticed that. I didn't know that Odin was.
DonPiFF_ I just saw that right now.
alex_eph612 Oh, because Maxi won the bet because Bitcoin outperformed a particular coin.
5headBera Oh, Maxi, I I'm used having it in my bio for two weeks. Ah,
DonPiFF_ you're old, and I appreciate you for the for the things you did for me.
5headBera Yeah, I gotta send.
DonPiFF_ I gotta send you to. I gotta send you to.
5headBera Yeah, thank you. You look swagged out now.
DonPiFF_ You did. You. I let go. I let go. My shit. God! Look at that. That man, that man went crazy. Look at that. Look at my badge. Look at that badge right there. You see that badge? Ship posting badge. That man went nuts.
alex_eph612 Yeah, Odin has done a lot of good work for Apu on the back end that no one knows about. Very very impressed with him.
DonPiFF_ Like what? Like what? Let me hear one.
alex_eph612 Well, when Grape had stolen our domain, for lack of a better way of putting
DonPiFF_ it,
alex_eph612 Odin was like 95% responsible for switching everything over from apu.com to apu.io, and he got it done in practically a day.
DonPiFF_ Wow, man, that man, Oden, you know that man older.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ that man orders that damn that thing. So, what was the bet? Black coin. What was the bet? I don't know the bet. What was
5headBera it? It was over on. I made a bot, like flipping both up, flipping different coins, and then he Maxi made a bet that which one would reach a certain price the fastest. So.
DonPiFF_ and then you had to put it in your buy one buy.
5headBera No, I I'm not buying that shit. I even pinned the I pinned on my profile. Maxi, you won the bet, so
DonPiFF_ yeah, I see that.
5headBera No one should think I'm endorsing the coin.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ Yeah.
alex_eph612 Hey, Odin, I got a question.
5headBera Yeah, yeah, sure. Go ahead.
alex_eph612 Why do people make bad decisions in crypto, in your opinion, like the maxi stuff and the happy stuff? You know that sort of thing. Hey Alex, Alex, listen, listen. Let
DonPiFF_ me tell you something. Hold on, Alex. You're saying bad decision, but in that little bad decision that you're claiming happy is you profited about 10 bands.
alex_eph612 Well, let's wait and let Odin answer the question. Then we can. And you could not
DonPiFF_ profit more if you chilled out and let that shit ran up to the two milli.
alex_eph612 Let's yeah we can talk about that, but let's see what Odin has to say.
5headBera Yeah, I don't know. I I'm not sure. No. Yeah, maybe people get impatient. They wanna go and try.
DonPiFF_ Odin, how long have you been in crypto for?
5headBera Since 2016.
DonPiFF_ All right, and Apu Apul Sajja, what do you think this is going to,
5headBera bro? This one is going to the moon, bro, and beyond.
DonPiFF_ Right. Yeah, I hold. I hold. Yeah. A hole. You know, I'm swagged out right now, man. How long have you been holding that?, that, juice.
5headBera Yeah. Damn, I don't remember now. For a while.
DonPiFF_ For a while, huh? You have any other one-on-ones or no?
5headBera Yeah, I got the craziest one is the Golden Knight one. I bought it Directly after the launch on OpenSea, the NFTs, the images had not been revealed yet. They were buying ones without knowing what they were, and then it turned out that I got. Oh, so you got
DonPiFF_ lucky?
5headBera Yeah, on that one. Yeah.
DonPiFF_ How much did he pay for your for your juice?
5headBera I think 1.6 p.
DonPiFF_ 1.6. Wow, you got a great deal. Let me go on open sea. Let me see. You got a good deal. I got a. I paid 1.5 for mine. I paid 1.5., kiwi juice, grape juice. Yours is yeah.
5headBera Suzak, sushi. No, yours is yours
DonPiFF_ is orange juice.
5headBera Yeah, strawberry.
DonPiFF_ Oh, your strawberry. Oh, this picture got me fucked up a little bit. I just love the juices. I don't know why., strawberry. Then you paid last sale.
5headBera Oh, 2.68. Okay, I was off by one if. But hold
DonPiFF_ on, hold on, hold on. What's your open sea name? A punk. I have
5headBera different ones. But the last set was up a night.if.
DonPiFF_ you paid about 10 bands.
5headBera Yeah, but you
DonPiFF_ got it for a little cheap because the first sale was for 11 bands.
5headBera That strawberry juice is tasty, so it's worth it.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, facts. I like kiwi juice a little bit too.
5headBera Yep,
DonPiFF_ like kiwi juice. Let me see., someone bought it. Yeah, for nine bands, and then I bought it. I bought it for 1.5 ETH. I ain't fucking around. Thank God I got my one on one. Thank you, Jesus. And I'm trying to get that the other one too, but right now it's blacklisted., where do you think one on ones are going to, Alex?
alex_eph612 Well, I would have to do some math,
DonPiFF_ but they're gonna run, no?
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean, if the APU market cap, or rather, when the apu market cap goes up, I think that NFTs will go up as well because I've said before that I believe that apu NFTs are sort of like a leveraged long position on APU itself.
DonPiFF_ So if Apou does well, the NFTs are gonna do even weller.
alex_eph612 Yeah, absolutely.
DonPiFF_ Damn, the floor right now is 8080 bucks. What the fuck
alex_eph612 is it? Yeah, I might have to start buying again.
DonPiFF_ Hold on, hold on, but I'm gonna get it. Okay, let's say green. Okay, he's he sweeps the floor, right?
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ And then why do they go down from 200 all the way, bam, right back down?
alex_eph612 Well, it's just like it's just like a meme coin, right? Like if you have some huge whale come in and pump the coin, and the timing is wrong, a lot of people are going to wake up, look at the chart, and say, "Okay, well, here's my exit liquidity. Let me just dump, and that's exactly what happens, right? I mean, if Green pumps up to 200 per NFT, a lot of people are going to wake up the next morning and say, "Oh, I'm going to sell my NFTs now because you know they're worth twice as much, and you know, NFTs themselves, like in our particular NFT collection, the liquidity and the trading interest is actually quite low. So it doesn't take very many NFT trades to get back to the original amount that he had bought him for.
DonPiFF_ Ah. Ah,
Fren 6 no.
alex_eph612 There's actually a really good one for sale. I think you should buy it. Let me let me send that to you.
DonPiFF_ What on the on the on the items? Let me see. I'm on them right now.
alex_eph612 I'm gonna send you the link to explore. So this is an 837 rarity, and it's going for basically floor price. So that's pretty good. Under 1000 for floor price is a good NFT to have.
DonPiFF_ Let me see, Alex. Let me see. Oh, I see that one right here for that's one $81.
alex_eph612 Yeah, you should definitely get it. You better be quick, cause I'm about to buy it.
DonPiFF_ I'll take that. I'm gonna take it. I was gonna switch the name.
alex_eph612 Okay, you can have it.
DonPiFF_ Thank you. But then look at this one: $124 for rarity 323.
alex_eph612 Really?
DonPiFF_ Yeah, the UN Indian.
alex_eph612 Ah, that's not too bad. Yeah.
DonPiFF_ Okay, and then, and look at the other one, rarity 62 for 262 246.
alex_eph612 Yeah. That's
DonPiFF_ a great. That's great. No.
alex_eph612 Yeah, you should you should always try to buy the low rarity ones.
DonPiFF_ Okay. Look at my look at my portfolio.
alex_eph612 Okay, can you send it to me?
DonPiFF_ Yes. Let me send you my portfolio, and you're gonna tell me that I haven't been fucking doing that. Look at my portfolio. Quick, something.
alex_eph612 Okay, let me take a look
DonPiFF_ at this. Yeah, look at my portfolio. Yes. Talk to me,
alex_eph612 evil shroom. Oh
DonPiFF_ no, but not that, not that. I got those. Ron sent me those.
alex_eph612 Yeah. No, it looks good.
DonPiFF_ All right.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Very low rarities everywhere.
DonPiFF_ Trying to tell you. That's what I go for the low rarities.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
DonPiFF_ I had one more that I traded. Had a UN rarity number 72 that I gave to Top Goy for he wanted it as a deal for the fucking NFT the one on one. I love that Indian number 60, I fucking love it.
alex_eph612 Yeah, Indian vampire.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, but I only got I only got. Let's top off for $70. I love my one on one. I need to get one more. I'm talking with that guy, the guy, your boy, who's supposed to make a ghostapu.
alex_eph612 Ghostapu,
DonPiFF_ yeah.
alex_eph612 I don't think I know him.
DonPiFF_ Yes, you do.
alex_eph612 Does he go by another name?
DonPiFF_ The nigga who had the chef.
alex_eph612 Oh, a non. Oh, I know him as a non. He's a whale.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, he., that's just blacklisted, and we spoke with a quit, and he said, quit said it's just flagged on OpenSea. Everything that was stolen, they've said they've been working to unflag things that are not in actual scammers' wallets, but it would take some time.
alex_eph612 Yep, exactly.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, but that's going to take so long.
alex_eph612 Well, I hope it doesn't take too long. I feel like they're going to get a lot of pushback once it starts, you know, rolling over into weeks and stuff. So I feel like they'll get it done soon.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, hope because I wouldn't mind buying out, but I don't have bread to buy that shirt right now, so I'll leave it blacklisted for now.
alex_eph612 Alrighty, well, it's been a couple hours since we started. I think I gotta get headed out pretty soon.
DonPiFF_ Where you going? What you doing tonight?
alex_eph612 I don't really talk about that sort of thing.
DonPiFF_ Why are you talking with her tonight? What you doing tonight? You going out, taking the lady out? What you doing?
alex_eph612 Let's just say that in my position, you can't really be telling people about when you're leaving your house.
DonPiFF_ Okay, I'm not asking where you're leaving. I'm asking you what are you doing.
alex_eph612 I'm just. I'm gonna stay in my house. I'm gonna have my rifle on one side and a shot of whiskey in the other, and you know I'm gonna be here all night.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, shut the fuck up. You went on tonight, yo, Alex., you work a job or no?
alex_eph612 No, I don't work a job.
DonPiFF_ Okay. Oh, when the fires happened, did your house get hit or no?
alex_eph612 No, I was about a mile away from where I live.
DonPiFF_ Mile away, okay. Yeah., let me see. You said you're what? How old are you? 40? What? 4040. and, you're a multi millionaire.
alex_eph612 Him,
DonPiFF_ you are.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
DonPiFF_ Jesus, Alex, like, like, bro, like, yo, Alex, I only need a small investment of 300 APU to be a whale. Like, what's up?
alex_eph612 I get it, Alex.
DonPiFF_ What's going on? Yeah, you're really
alex_eph612 close.
DonPiFF_ I need a push. I need a push, Alex.
alex_eph612 No, I get
DonPiFF_ it. Like, well, what are we doing here? Like, you gonna help me out? Get some bounties for me. What are we doing, bro?
alex_eph612 It's really tough to find whales these days that want to buy APU. You know, I have like a lot of a lot of people that are kind of like in my back pocket that are so close. I feel like they'd be buying, but the timing is just not right. No one wants to lose money.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, I feel you. So spaces, spaces would be host of Alex. Ah, one. When are you like, like when days like this Friday 8o'clock?
alex_eph612 Honestly, I'm okay with whatever. Like, if it helps, I can be available to attend a space. I mean, look
DonPiFF_ at this. We've been in spaces for what about two hours now?
alex_eph612 Yeah, I
DonPiFF_ know me and you're the only one talking. Odin came up. Shout out to him.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
5headBera yeah. I'm. I'm gonna go and take a quick eight-hour nap or so.
alex_eph612 Thank you, guys.
5headBera Take care. Thank you so much.
DonPiFF_ Thank you so much, Odin, for the for the trip.
5headBera Yeah, you're welcome. Take care, I guess.
alex_eph612 Take care. Well, yeah. It's hard to like. Got to be honest with yourself. It's hard to have an interest in attending spaces when you're at an all-time low, as we are today.
DonPiFF_ . Oh, today's the all-time low.
alex_eph612 I believe so. Yeah.
DonPiFF_ Hopefully, ETH doesn't take a shit.
alex_eph612 Yeah. But yeah, there's a lot of reinvigorated interest. Anytime our chart pumps even a little bit, everyone gets super bullish and happy and excited. It
DonPiFF_ is true. That is true. But then we pump for 2030, 40% and then we retrace, bro.
alex_eph612 Yeah, you know what I mean. You know, I know that's just that's bear market things for you. You know. All right. So when
DonPiFF_ the bull comes, do would we retrace when we hit a 40%
alex_eph612 Honestly, I don't think so. Everyone that's like wanting to sell is getting out now, so.
DonPiFF_ Well, I ain't going nowhere. I'd rather brought it to zero than hull.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean, I've said the same thing before that I'd rather hold to zero than sell anything.
DonPiFF_ Yeah. Ah, I guess you're Alex. I'll let you do your thing.
alex_eph612 Alrighty. Well, I appreciate the time.
DonPiFF_ Yeah. Well, it was only me and you talking. I don't know why everybody else don't want to talk no more. I don't know.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Well, maybe Sauce will bless us at some point.
DonPiFF_ Yeah.
alex_eph612 All right. I'll talk to you later. All
DonPiFF_ right. See you later, buddy.
router176_ Bye.
DonPiFF_ And then the spaces, guys. Hello.