Kulture0x Yo, yo, yo! What is going on? How are you guys doing today? I got probably about 30, maybe 45 minutes before I have to jet. Gonna go get sushi and watch Practical Magic too. Not my, not my choice of movie. I'd rather go see the uprising, but you know, gotta please the ladies. I'm saying. So I thought we guys could just talk today about whatever you want to talk about. Bull market, things you guys are looking forward to, things you guys are kind of Happy about market stuff, whatever you want to talk about. Let's do it. Anyone else want to say hi? Want to talk? So I'm not really used to doing spaces or hosting spaces too much. So maybe we can just wait for a few more people to get here and listen to a little bit more music, or whatever you guys want to do. Let's crack one open. Let the party start. Know a few more people are joining. So, a few ways to do this. If you want to talk, I can. You can just raise your hand, and I can give you the mic, or I can just make it a free for all. Okay, here we go.
BULLCYCLE SOON. LET'S TALK ABOOT IT.
Global liquidity and the case for a bull cycle, then three hours on missing treasury funds, who speaks for the token, and what holds the community together.
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Overview
Global liquidity and Fed policy fill the first hour, built around one holder's case that Bitcoin works as a sponge for cheap money and that the four-year cycle explains less than people assume. A long detour into conspiracy theory follows, including antisemitic remarks and racial slurs. From half an hour in it is all Apu: roughly 500,000 dollars of ETH missing from the community wallet, whether anyone owes receipts for it, and who gains from keeping the fight going. That stretch turns hostile and two people get muted or pulled off stage. It cools down late, into a prepared teardown of a rival token launch, an account of where the whale narrative actually came from, and rough agreement that little of it will matter if macro turns.
Chapters
12- 01
- Thirty or forty-five minutes is all the host says he has before leaving for a movie. It runs three hours.
- No topic is set beyond bull market talk and whatever anyone wants to raise.
- 02
- Bitcoin only rises when real rates trend toward zero, making it a sponge for global liquidity rather than a store of value. The framing is credited to an analyst who goes by Capital Flows, and the specific trigger being watched is the federal funds rate minus two-year inflation.
- Stock-to-flow gets called a failed model, with the halving mattering less now that far more crypto assets compete for the same money. Both sides concede the sample size is too small to settle it.
- His own allocation is 30 percent real estate, 30 percent precious metals, and crypto that "didn't work out". He avoids ETFs on the view that custodians can treat holders as unregistered creditors and bail themselves out with client portfolios.
- Private equity funding data centers through health insurers comes up as the parallel risk, with taxpayers as the eventual backstop. Both compare the setup to the run-up to the Great Depression.
- 03
- Roughly eight minutes on replacement theory, hidden history, simulation talk, and one speaker stating he does not believe in space and is a flat earther.
- Antisemitic remarks, a reading of Revelation 3:9, and repeated racial slurs run through this stretch.
- "Should we talk about APU or something?" is what finally ends it.
- 04
- Resentment between people grinding daily and people who went quiet gets framed by the host as something every community has, bull market or bear.
- Unidentified wallets are the real problem, according to the whale chat's leader. His group accounts for about 70 percent of the top 100 holder list; the other 30 percent have been selling steadily for two and a half years and stay anonymous on purpose.
- Fifteen years in cybersecurity is the host's basis for arguing that AI combined with data lakes will soon make that anonymity impossible to hold.
- 05
- Largest holders spent the most and should have a voice in governance, which is the stated case for keeping the whale chat closed. That nobody is buying in to become a whale after two and a half years down is called concerning.
- Solana is pulling the meme coin volume and nearly all new launches. Apu is bridged there but trading around $1,000 a day.
- A plan to buy the moment the global liquidity cycle turns risk-on, from a single public wallet, announced in advance so anyone can front-run it. The reply from the floor: "so your genius idea is to buy the bottom and have everyone copy trade you."
- 06
- Around 500,000 dollars of ETH left the community wallet. One holder says the on-chain trail shows a premeditated pattern, with money moved into four centralized exchange accounts.
- Four contradictory explanations over six months are alleged: he didn't take it, he took it and deserved it, he took it and spent it on Apu, he took it and will spend it on Apu later.
- Defenders argue the sponsorships are being paid by somebody and the money has to come from somewhere. No receipts are produced either way.
- Twenty-five ETH of his own went into NFTs, the host says, and the marketing he is questioning cost at least 389 ETH without moving the price. One speaker is pulled off stage for talking over everyone.
- 07
- Whale NFTs get called objectively stupid, on the grounds that the original 7777 set had value because it was scarce and a second collection destroyed that. It is blamed for a rift that had holders dumping and an attempt to vamp the token.
- UFC sponsorship is defended as the opposite, exposure to people outside crypto who already recognize the frog. Others counter that no price movement ever appeared, and that one fight may have marked the local top.
- The apu.com story gets a flat denial: the domain holder demanded $300,000, the treasury funds were never his to offer, and the lower counteroffer was not his to send.
- Director of operations was the title he took after the hyperliquid bridge shipped, a role he describes as below C-level. He notes the whale NFTs launched at the exact moment the market turned down.
- 08
- "The whales have lost the most money out of everyone." Nobody is entitled to direct how someone else spends their own money, described as two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
- Portfolio numbers get traded openly. One holder is 20 to 25 percent Apu and still holds 330 million tokens; another puts 99.8 percent of his crypto in it.
- 09
- Seven prepared points against a rival token. It used the wrong image, so buyers cannot recognize the meme it references, and the launchpad capped the ticker at six characters, which collides with an existing ticker on Solana.
- Bots took roughly 80 percent of supply at launch and extracted about $130,000, and 30 percent of supply was bundled visibly enough for anyone to spot on Bubble Maps.
- Liquidity sits under 10 percent of market cap, which he argues makes it as easy to dump as to pump and ties its survival to whether large caps retrace.
- One of the seven points is an antisemitic claim about the launchpad's owner rather than anything about the token.
- 10
- It was meant to signal that serious money was already in, on the theory that liquidity attracts liquidity, and was never intended as a class system.
- After an earlier member left, the remaining High Council formed a new chat and brought him in. His proposal was to identify every large holder so the story about secret whales farming the chart could be put to rest.
- By his count 31 billion tokens sit with holders he knows who will not dox, and 41 billion with wallets he cannot identify that keep selling. The plan is to absorb that supply over time, since wallets cannot be blacklisted.
- 11
- AI art and bots have gutted what raiding and artwork can still do for a project. The next edge, he argues, is proving a real person is posting, as the answer to dead internet theory.
- A self-described raider and lore master agrees the raids rarely moved price and often coincided with sell pressure. A K-pop post to three million followers did nothing, because macro was wrong at the time.
- "Tech itself is a meme" is what he says convinced him to sell six years of altcoin bags and buy Apu. He was then banned from the official Telegram for linking a side chat he had made.
- His account of the schism: the team sanded the edges off the meme to court exchanges and normies, driving off the 4chan buyers, and Coinbase listed Pepe anyway. The freedom he describes losing is explicitly the freedom to use slurs without consequence.
- 12
- XAUT, Tether's spot gold contract, is offered as a way to keep gold exposure while staying liquid enough to move into something quickly.
- Apologies go both ways near the end, along with agreement that being useful to leadership was what determined whether old grievances got forgiven.
- He finishes saying he wants everyone in the community to make money and has no idea where the opposite idea came from.
Transcript
alex_eph612 Approve.
Kulture0x What's up, Alex? Hey, I have a question for you. You were saying something about that Fed that Fed turns risk on. What's that all about, man?
alex_eph612 I can definitely talk about that, but do you mind turning off the background music?
Kulture0x Oh, is it kind of is it too loud?
alex_eph612 Yeah, it's just hard to speak over.
Kulture0x Oh yeah, for sure. Okay, what's that? That's a good thing about analog music,
alex_eph612 right?
Kulture0x So I could just turn it on and off with a switch. All right. So is that better?
alex_eph612 Yeah, that is much better. Cool. So your question was, you know, what do I mean about the global liquidity market turning risk on.
Kulture0x Yes.
alex_eph612 Okay. So here is essentially my thoughts on the matter, and I have to say I'm not an expert in economic policy. I just I essentially found an analyst that successfully predicted bull markets in the past. He essentially found an indicator.
Kulture0x Nice,
alex_eph612 and he basically said that you essentially have two levers that the Federal Reserve tries to pull whenever it tries to influence economic policy, and the biggest lever that they have is this. federal funding rate? So this is the amount of interest rate that Treasury yields pay. So this is essentially like the amount of money that is necessary to borrow to borrow money, and a lot of people they just assume you know, I want the federal fund rate federal fund rate to go down, because if it goes down, then it's cheaper to borrow money, and if it's cheaper to borrow money, then it's easier to put that money into risk on assets.
Kulture0x Right,
alex_eph612 but that's not really the only thing. The thing is, is like there's also inflation, and
Kulture0x we should be going.
alex_eph612 When people look, when people look at inflation and this federal fund rate, they essentially try to figure out a way to get money for free and put it somewhere or park it somewhere where they can make more money. Oh,
Kulture0x that's what they were doing with Japan,
alex_eph612 right? So that was the Japan carry,
Kulture0x right? Then they just carry
alex_eph612 trade,
Kulture0x so it's not free money anymore, right?
alex_eph612 Exactly. So when the Japan carry trade wound down, a lot of risk on assets collapsed because there was no longer that liquidity in the global liquidity market to be able to invest in these risk-on assets, and you know, Bitcoin suffered from that. So when people look at Bitcoin or whatever, you know, they make this mistake and they try to kind of conceptualize it based on. Some sort of like unproven thesis. For example, they say, "Okay, Bitcoin is a store of value, or like Bitcoin is like a settlement layer between central banks. But this particular analyst, his name is-he goes by Capital Flows. He essentially says you have to look at the actual effect. You have to say the purpose of a system is what it does, and what essentially happens is that Bitcoin ends up being a sponge for global liquidity.
Kulture0x Oh,
alex_eph612 so over the last whatever 10 or 15 years, the only times that Bitcoin has gone up is when real rates have trended towards zero or actually had become negative.
Kulture0x Well, that so.
alex_eph612 So you know that goes into something like completely, completely different. So when people look at the having, they sort of like attribute this magical four-year cycle to crypto. But you know, there's one major flaw with that problem, or there's one major flaw with that type of analysis, and that is the four-year cycle has historically been associated with a model called stock to flow, and stock to flow essentially failed. Essentially, there was a there was an analyst in the past, and he said, "Okay, so Bitcoin is subject to the stock to flow model. Basically, there's amount of tokens that are issued, or rather, the amount of coins, and when these coins are like halved, then there's not enough Bitcoin for demand, and you know it follows this particular trend. But unfortunately, that's you know not exactly true anymore because there's so many more tokens on the market. So you know anyone whatever
Kulture0x you're saying that it's not true anymore because the having is a lot less impactful than it used to be, essentially in layman's terms.
alex_eph612 So the having is less impactful than it used to be. That is true, but also there is a lot more crypto assets available to invest in as well.
Kulture0x Right, but wouldn't it still be King BTC? The you know BTC controls the you know the market.
alex_eph612 Sure, you know BTC does control the market, but
Kulture0x and that and that cycle has.
alex_eph612 But
Kulture0x it's speculative that it that it's not going to be as impactful as it was before because each of the last four years, I mean, it's fallen a pretty determined. What's what I'm looking for? Consistent,
alex_eph612 substantial,
Kulture0x yeah, and consistent four-year cycle. I mean, it hasn't failed yet, right?
alex_eph612 Well, I mean, it kind of did fail because everyone was predicting that Bitcoin would be at like 180,000 in 2021, and it essentially only 3x,
Kulture0x right? But then, okay, you're saying that it the bull cycle or the yeah it slowed down a little bit, right?
alex_eph612 Yeah, essentially there's a flattening out. But my point is like when people attribute the halving or whatever to the four year cycle, there's no evidence to suggest that it's true because
Kulture0x are you saying the sample the sample size is small?
alex_eph612 Yes, the sample size is indeed small.
Kulture0x Okay, but previously the four years there has been some kind of maybe it could be even psychological, right?
alex_eph612 Well, here's the thing: over the last two cycles, the global, rather the global liquidity cycle, has actually been correlated to the future. I wonder if that would. That's another. Yeah. So there's no reason to suggest that it could be correlated in the future, but it might be. Right. But I think this particular analyst, if anything else,
Kulture0x it seems like it seems like a lot of the financials, a lot of the economies and financials happen in cycles, and it kind of happens in four-year cycles. So I think Satoshi Nakamoto kind of did that intentionally with Bitcoin and timed it along these like cycles and Arcadian rhythms. But that gets pretty.
alex_eph612 I mean, that's certainly possible, but that kind of goes into like these conspiracy theories about whether or not you know Satoshi was close to the Federal Reserve or something like that, or rather the people that are involved in it.
Kulture0x Oh yeah, that's that will be the next spaces for sure, because I am like I'm gonna I'm gonna research that. I'm gonna look into that because I'm a conspiracy fucking nerd.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Well, basically, I
Kulture0x get my dick.
alex_eph612 Just right. Just to summarize my, you know, the previous topic. Essentially, what I'm waiting for is for real rates to go down, and that is essentially something extremely simple, which is the federal fund rate minus the. Inflation over a two-year period. So I'm waiting for that to start trending towards zero. I expected it to trend towards zero, and I expected it to be zero already. But unfortunately, it didn't happen.
Kulture0x Yeah.
alex_eph612 So, you know, a lot of people are like, you know, I'm not, I'm not trying to name names, but whatever. People are like begging me to invest into APU, and you know, I really wanted to, but if I had done so at the time that they wanted me to do that, I would have 10x lost my money. Right, my 300,000 or whatever would have turned into 30,000. Well, you know, that's cool that you can get on these spaces and talk about it because I, you know, and what you're saying makes sense. I've been following the, I've been following that as well, and you seem to be able to articulate it a little bit better than I can, but I you know I also see what's going on with the U.S. bonds, the bond market, you know, and
Kulture0x all the every country has been selling U.S. bonds. They've been it's been like a fire sale, and they've been buying gold instead. So I wonder if Bitcoin, if that has anything impact on the Bitcoin price or the future of Bitcoin price here shortly.
alex_eph612 Well, you know, from just a personal perspective, I'm always going to bet against the U.S. economy. I'm just completely fed up with all the you know the entire financial system. I don't really particularly care, and that's why I have my portfolio diversified into assets that are not dependent upon the U.S. economy. So I essentially have 30% in real estate. I have 30% in precious metals, and I used to have 30% in crypto, but didn't work out.
Kulture0x Yeah. Well, I think you mean if you look at like what happened with stocks, right? And I think we're in a crazy AI bubble right now. I mean, everyone. There's even meme coins that are named AI bubble.
0xpatterns Sure,
Kulture0x bitcoins. You know, like so we're in a big AI bubble right now, and that's extremely risky at this point to
alex_eph612 to
Kulture0x be in
alex_eph612 it. But
Kulture0x and I think that's
alex_eph612 risky for
Kulture0x yeah.
alex_eph612 Sorry, go ahead. I
Kulture0x just I was just gonna say. Oh, you can hold that thought. I was just going to say, I think that crypto has a long ways to catch up because it's still stuck. It's not even at its previous bull cycle prices when we were pre inflation, and now everything inflated, and except for crypto. So
alex_eph612 if
Kulture0x those going to catch up, that's going to be a huge fucking run. Like when they pay 400,400k, Bitcoin, oh easily. That's just a cap for inflation.
alex_eph612 I agree. There's trillions of dollars in derivatives market and bond market and all of the other asset classes that can all funnel into crypto, but there is another thing, you know, a tangential topic that I want to talk about, and that is, when I make an investment, I try to make sure that I have custody of my assets because I have a feeling that a lot of these old fucking boomers are all going to lose their ass, and the reason they're going to do that is they're essentially going to write laws, which have they've already started, essentially claiming that the custodians that are holding your, for example, ETFs and your stocks and whatever, you're essentially just an unregistered creditor to the bank that you're invested in, or the brokerage firm that you're invested in. So essentially, they can be bailed out with your own portfolio.
Kulture0x Yeah, kind of like that's really private equity, right?
alex_eph612 Yeah, and that's essentially the risk that you take when you invest in these stocks. So I'm okay with like losing money and not having any exposure to ETFs and stocks and all this custodial fund stuff because I don't want to wake up my day and have like some letter from my from my bank that says hey man you know like your money is ours now private I think a lot of people are going to lose their ass in the next five or 10 years I mean
Kulture0x they've already had private equity which has been crashing out and then people haven't been able to sell or take their money back from private equity, and private and these companies aren't even using their own money for these data centers. They're using private equity to do it, and these private equity have insurance, health insurance companies that are actually taking on the debt to build the data center, so that way, when the when the health when the health insurance companies go under, there's a law that the boomers made to protect themselves. Well, to protect people under the guise of health, right? And so these health insurances can't go under because it has to have to pay out to the health insurance claims. So essentially, the taxpayers are the ones that bail out when the data centers go under. If that happens, if that scenario plays out,
alex_eph612 yeah, that's what I heard.
Kulture0x That's what
alex_eph612 you know.
Kulture0x Talking
alex_eph612 like there's just going to be like an unprecedented amount of fraud. In the in this entire economic system, and a lot of people are simply not ready for it. The only people that are going to you know come out unscathed are the ones that didn't get too greedy. It didn't start chasing all these whatever fads that custodial markets offer them.
Kulture0x I think it's kind of Ironic that the stock market has turned into the crypto market.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
Kulture0x I mean,
alex_eph612 I mean, I would fucking invest in Pokemon cards over a market or like whatever stock market.
Kulture0x Exactly, it's gonna. It's it. I'm looking at the volatility. Well, it's up only so far, but I mean, it feels a lot like previous crypto cycles. So, I find that interesting.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Well, you also have to understand that you know this is just a game of musical chairs, and eventually, it will all come crashing down.
Kulture0x Yeah, and I think that's unintentionally.
alex_eph612 Yeah. I mean, you essentially are investing according to the greater fool theory, thinking that you know there's going to be some idiot done in the future.
Kulture0x The crazy part is, is that this happened right before the Great Depression.
alex_eph612 Oh yeah, there's definitely historical parallels.
Kulture0x Before the Great Depression, Great Depression, like anyone and everyone was making money in the stock market. You just you could buy whatever you wanted, and it would it would go up, and people were just living that you know high on life, like people were advertising, you know, up only forever, and all these other things. So, and then the stock market crashed, and people lost everything. So, I don't know if it will push out as bad, but a lot of people are going to be losing their asses, and a lot of people are going to be losing like their pensions and shit like that, which is going to be pretty sad.
alex_eph612 For sure, you know this system incentivizes. You know, it rather people don't want to work. You know, that's just the simple the simple fact because you can make more money in speculative markets and you're not contributing to society in any meaningful way and as a result you know eventually society collapses right
Fren 3 yeah if
alex_eph612 no one's working and everyone is investing you know who's making who's actually you know contributing the actual labor to the society to keep it functional, you know. Obviously, it's not, and we can abs absolutely see the slow collapse of the entire Western global society pretty much all at once over the last whatever however long you want to talk about.
Kulture0x And that's why I feel like that's why they've been importing third worlders to the all across the Western countries.
alex_eph612 I mean, that's one of the reasons. But you know, whenever you're talking about this particular conspiracy or whatever, there's always going to be some reason
Kulture0x replacement theory. I mean, you know, it's conspiracy because we're we don't have any hard evidence as to the motives what they're doing. But I mean, we could see the timeline of how it's of you know we can we can we can guess what the motives are by sure by the pol the you know every all the X factors going on at the same time right so yeah I mean
alex_eph612 once again you look at the system you see sorry go ahead
Kulture0x oh no go ahead yeah I was just saying correlation so
alex_eph612 I was just saying I don't say conspiracy in a as a negative term. I'm just saying there's a very like there's a very interesting phenomenon that occurs whenever you dive into these conspiracy theories, and that is there's always going to be some reason for someone. There's enough evidence. It's as it's as if reality itself generates the evidence for whatever particular person is looking at that particular conspiracy. So someone might say, "Okay, it's the Kalergi plan. It's the Jews. You know, they're importing this. The other one might say, "Oh, well, you know, they're trying to do like this great replacement because you know there is you know better tax bracket for these H 1b Indians or something like that. Another conspiracy theory might say, "Oh well, you know, this is just like economic policy. It's all related to money. But you know, you know, everyone has their own idea, right, about anything that happens or any particular conspiracy? I mean, it's
Kulture0x reptilians.
alex_eph612 Yeah, you know that it could be reptilians too. Fucking
Kulture0x lizard people.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
Kulture0x that's who it is. No, I was I had this I had this like I was sometimes when I drive I drive my daughter like 35 minutes to fucking school in the morning, and I have to pick her up, and I have to drive another fucking 35 minutes because I wanted to move as far away from her mom as I could. So I bought my house in another, basically 35 minutes away. Anyways, I like just like that. I just I'm driving, and I think about shit, you know. And like that's when I have my best. I turn off the. And I just kind of daydream, you know, and I just think about everything that's going on in my life, or what's going on around the world, what's going on with crypto and the APU community, or whatever, you know. And I today I was driving back after dropping her off, and I was thinking how fucking gay history is. Like,
alex_eph612 not only is it gay, it's also fake.
Kulture0x Exactly, that's what I mean. Yeah, it's like fuck so fucking fake, right? Like, the Smithsonian like hides fucking all the evidence, any evidence that goes against the mainstream narratives, the Smithsonian like hides it and never talks about it. You try to call them up and ask for it, and they're like, "Yeah, we don't have that, you know. So I feel like the Smithsonian is part of is in on it, and it's not just the Smithsonian; it's all this the entire institution that makes our society work and run smoothly, right? And so I think that like what happens is society or human race is this test or not? I don't know, maybe pet project or test or something like that, where they we get up to a certain point, a certain ceiling of like technological advancement, medical advancement, you know, just enlightenment knowledge, right? And then we get to a point where we become a threat to whoever runs this simulation or this game or this project, right? And they don't want us to achieve. They don't want us to become what? What do you call it? A race level three civilization, whereas like you reach like inter planetary. Well, you have
alex_eph612 to understand. I don't believe in space. I'm actually a flat earther.
Kulture0x Oh, weird. That's interesting. That's hold that thought. I might come back to that. But what I was thinking is like this. Anyways, here's what happens, right? Like every 200 years, we maybe get wiped out, and that's why we and then there was these systems in place, and I think it's a there's a system behind it all, right? And they're the ones that control the narratives. They control the history. What because what we get taught in school is just all fucking scripted, right? So they control the history. They control the narratives. They control the academic what we what we are taught in school, like what we're told to believe, how we're told to behave, our financial systems, our hierarchy of power. That's all controlled and created, and it's similar with every cycle of humans. Right? We reach this technological advancement. That's what we don't. That's why, and they tell us these stories. Oh, these pyramids are just tombs for emperors, you know, like bullshit, you know. But they know what the what it is, but they couldn't, you know, they don't want to tell us because that would blow the lid off everything, you know. And I think if a civilization does find out early, then they get wiped out early.
alex_eph612 Well, you know, I have some thoughts on the matter. You know, ultimately, you're never gonna get to the bottom of anything like any of this. I've done my due diligence. I've looked into everything that you could possibly imagine, and you know, ultimately, I realized we're suffering an epistemological crisis where we don't know anything, and everything is fake and gay, and you really have to ultimately understand that we're in a spiritual battle.
Kulture0x 100% 100% agree with that. It is a spiritual battle.
0xpatterns Hey, who is they?
Kulture0x They are the reptilians, the litter people. Let's hypothetically
0xpatterns the Jews.
Kulture0x It's a
alex_eph612 if you if you want to figure out who they are, open your Bible, look at Revelation three nine.
Kulture0x I'm gonna have to look that up. Revelation three nine.
0xpatterns Does it say the Jews?
Kulture0x Let me find out.
DonPiFF_ Is that Patrick?
alex_eph612 It
0xpatterns is. Hello. Hey.
Kulture0x Hey, raise your hand if you have a Zinnan or a nicotine pouch. Oh. Nice.
DonPiFF_ What'd you say? What'd you say? Say it again.
Kulture0x I have three. I have three pouches in. Behold, I will make thee of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know. What I have loved thee, to know that I have loved thee. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and they are and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation three nine King James Version.
0xpatterns I also love feet and hate Jews.
Kulture0x That's what it sounds like, huh?
alex_eph612 Yeah. So these people-they're really good at changing definitions.
Kulture0x Oh yeah, fuck yeah, they do. I've noticed that. Like definitions.
alex_eph612 So you have a particular word, and then they change the definition of that word, and then they say, "Okay, this is what was written about this particular word, and it applies to whatever because this is now the definition. And everyone's like, "Oh, okay, ho hum, I believe that, you know. But actually, it's not true, you know, and they did the same with the word Jews,
Kulture0x and they did the same thing with the word faggot.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
Kulture0x because I think in many countries, faggot means like a cake, and in art,
alex_eph612 I don't know, I didn't look into that,
Kulture0x and in our culture in the Western countries, faggot meant cigarette.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
Kulture0x And now it now. Well, anyway, should
alex_eph612 we talk about APU or something, or what? What's going on? Yeah, that's
DonPiFF_ what I'm wondering. I'm wondering what's going on with the frog, man.
Kulture0x Okay. Yeah. Let's get into it. So, here's my thoughts on the situation. Is you know I get why people are upset, why people have been upset with, you know imagine this. Yeah, I think I feel like we have to be empathetic and have an open mind about all this, you know. And I try to understand where people are coming from first. I feel like you're not going to gain any ground with anyone if you don't. So I feel like people are upset, and I think the bolt the bear cycle naturally is going to you know add to that because people are going to be spinning the their wheels on every day, you know, trying to do something, do something, dubs, do something, right? And you know, there's people that they feel aren't doing anything at all, so you know they see a group of people trying hard and working something hard every day, whatever that may be, making content, being active online, and then you have other people who just disappear. But and I get that, and I get why they're upset. How that could make you feel jaded. Like there's some people that are doing all the work, and there's other people who aren't. You know, but at the same time, you're gonna have that in every no matter what coin you're in, no matter what community in you're in, you're gonna have that, and you're even have that in the bull cycle. Because what's to say you're in every community has this? Because whether you're in SPX or you're in ticker Bitcoin or Dog with Hat, you're gonna have people that randomly buy a coin, and it'll be a well. And you may not know who they are, and they'll just buy it, and they'll buy 100 other tokens. They'll buy a big share of it. They'll do whatever the fuck they want. They'll just be a ghost behind the scenes. You know, it's just volume. So I feel like you have people who are like that? That aren't transparent. You never see or hear from them, and they'll do whatever they want. And then you have the people who are transparent and try to do a little bit of both. Right? They're active in the community. They want to be active in the community, but they don't necessarily have the time in their life for it. For it all the time to be consistent at it. So, you know, they'll try to make themselves known. They'll try and help out here and there with what they can. But at the end of the day, people are going to have their own value what they provide. Some people can't be online every day to you know raid or do whatever, but they'll we'll provide value in other ways. And I'd rather have someone that I can see and hear and that I know about that doesn't do anything than someone who I don't see or hear and doesn't do anything. Does that make sense?
alex_eph612 It does make sense, Marty. But there is one other thing that I wanted to add to that, and that is there is this misconception that the whale group or whatever the whale chat of which I am the leader is sitting on their ass and not doing anything. The true, how would you say, unaligned actors in this space are the people and the wallets that we don't even know who the fuck they belong to. I agree. So I'm. I was looking at the. I. Yeah, exactly. So I am looking at the top 100 holder list, and we essentially only account for whatever 70% of that list. The other 30% of that list is unknown whales, unknown wallets that have been consistently selling for the last two and a half years and continue to do so. But instead of like being idealistic about it and saying, "Okay, so let's just invite all of these people or whatever. Let's get them, let's find them or whatever. These people are anonymous for a reason. They want to be able to sell without anyone fucking up their, you know, their shit. Really, they don't want they don't want people to get angry at them because you know they're selling into whatever you know retail volume. They don't want to be found. There are some that do. Like I would estimate that whatever like maybe 20% of the people I haven't found, even though I've done my due diligence, and the other 80% are covert for a reason. Do you know what you know that?
Kulture0x Do you know what data lakes are, Alexander? Do you know what data lakes are? Does anyone here know what a data lake
alex_eph612 is? Why don't you provide us with the definition?
Kulture0x So, my career is in cybersecurity, and I've been doing it for you know I'm just like doxing myself here. You've seen my faith. You know my when I when I I'm like my sec my sec ops is horrible. I just I'm kind of at an age where I don't give a shit. I have guns, so come find me now. That's your problem. I'm in I'm in fucking an area where it's all surrounded by gun toting Americans. But anyways, that's neither here nor there. Anyways, I do cybersecurity. I've done it for like 15 years, and so I have a seed, a data lake, and there's a lot of three-letter agencies that also have access to the same thing, and that's they use daily. So I was thinking to myself, you know, technology with AI is getting so advanced that here pretty soon, you know, everything's going agent now, and they just rolled out with six, which is pretty amazing. I just, it's crazy what it can do, but you pair that with a data lake. Now, data lakes-it's a pool of-it's essentially what it is in that name. It's a lake of data, but here's what a data-and these data lakes are fucking massive, right? Like massive. They store the entire internet into them, the past present, the past and present. There's nothing that a data lake doesn't have, and we're talking about Telegram chat histories, private and public, Discord chats, private and public, Facebook chats, private and public. I mean, maybe not X. I don't know. Elon is pretty good at encrypting messages. I would say that's probably the most the safest place to fucking talk on. But the point of it is, I'm trying to say is about people hiding a nomininity, right? Is I don't think that's going to be possible soon with the advancements of AI mixed with data lakes because you can have AI go through the data and you're you know you can have the most skilled blue team, red team, purple team, you know threat hunter data analysis right, but paired that with AI, who can go through millions of lines of text keywords looking for whatever you want, trying to find matches. Then
alex_eph612 I understand your point. Yeah, I understand your point. So trying
Kulture0x to say this, I don't think that they're going to be anonymous pretty soon. Counterpoint.
0xpatterns Counterpoint. What if I'm homeless, unemployed, on EBT, and I'm black?
Kulture0x Well, then you're probably
alex_eph612 you're better off than a white guy. I
0xpatterns can pretty much say whatever I want on here, then, right?
Kulture0x Yeah, I just really don't have any reason to give a fuck.
0xpatterns So maybe that's what we should all do. Then we should all just quit our jobs and start taking malatinan.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean, a lot of people do that. There's plenty of chats that are essentially like you know be a nigger to the system you know, and they just behave exactly like them, and they get the results that are exactly like the results that they get.
0xpatterns Maybe that's what we should do with Apu.
Kulture0x Just be niggers.
0xpatterns Yes.
alex_eph612 I mean we've tried everything, right? We might as well try that.
Kulture0x I'm down. I got it. Switch to new ports.
alex_eph612 Shit.
Kulture0x I don't know if I that might get some use. Menthol is kind of harsh on my throat, but fuck.
0xpatterns Let's all buy gun. And then we can go to the next SPX rally, and we'll just go steal a bunch of their wallets, and then we'll swap to Abu.
Kulture0x Take their cards too, because they have more money than us. So fuck them. That Lambo's mine. Get
alex_eph612 out. We should steal their liquidity and pour it into the frog.
Kulture0x Ooh, I like that idea.
0xpatterns Steve, this is what we should be discussing in the whale chat. This is why you guys need me in the whale chat.
alex_eph612 Well, you know, why don't you just buy 900 million?
0xpatterns Well, I'm fucking poor. Okay, I'm unemployed. I'm on EBT.
alex_eph612 You gotta finesse it, nigga.
DonPiFF_ How much? How much EBT you got? I'll buy some off you. What's up?
0xpatterns $800 a month.
DonPiFF_ Ah, so you ship me my groceries, and I send you. I send you Apu. What's up?
0xpatterns You're gonna send me 1 billion Apu?
DonPiFF_ No, I got a discount. I want. How am I gonna send you 1 billion? How am I gonna buy 800? How am I gonna
0xpatterns be a whale then?
DonPiFF_ You guys, how much you got right now?
0xpatterns None, zero. I'm homeless. I'm unemployed, and I'm on EBT.
DonPiFF_ Yo, Pat, stop, stop lying, puppy. I'm
alex_eph612 black. I'm lesbian. I'm transgender. I mean,
DonPiFF_ if we really did want to be the nigger coin, Pat would be great-a great whale. Me too. That's what I'm saying. Blue collar noise, right? I'm nigger Kev. Nice to meet you guys.
alex_eph612 Welcome.
0xpatterns Me and Kev could really shake some things up around here. If you just give the reins to me and Kev and let us take over, we could probably turn this whole thing around.
Kulture0x Someone be a well with EBT.
0xpatterns Yeah. Do you guys do you guys accept food stamps?
DonPiFF_ Dom Piff does.
0xpatterns Can I can I buy some of your NFTs with my food stamps?
Kulture0x Can we make a well EB a well EBT NFT collection? I like that idea.
0xpatterns See, Alex, you're just not thinking hard enough, man. You probably never even imagined EBT being on the table, did you?
Kulture0x Or you know, cartons and cigarettes. I think that would be another currency.
alex_eph612 Yeah, popcorn should accept EBT on his merch store,
Kulture0x yeah, and cigarettes,
alex_eph612 yeah.
Kulture0x I like that. So, what would you say about what do what do you think about opening up the well chat to just everyone? What do you think is what are the pros and cons?
alex_eph612 Well, and it wouldn't be a well chat. I guess I guess well, it wouldn't be a wheelchair. That's the first thing. It would just be another side chat, you know. And there's plenty of side chats in APU. The issue is like I'm not trying. Sorry, turn to our people. I disagree. We need
DonPiFF_ more side chats. We need way more side chats, or if you have enough of all. in like seven.
alex_eph612 So, you know, just to answer in a like in a way that doesn't sound completely retarded, the thesis that I have is that the largest holders are the most invested. They spent the most money to, you know, into this project, and they should have a voice in coin governance. And everyone has an opportunity to buy, especially after this two and a half years cycle or whatever. Yeah, we're in the shitter, and you know, people are still not buying the coin to become whales, and you know, it's kind of concerning. I agree.
DonPiFF_ I was a whale like three days ago.
Kulture0x Nice. I mean, I only became well when I when it dropped down to like you know this under 10 million. So I mean, I've been buying a little bit every month. It's kind of slowed down. I'm start buying here again soon before the next before the next bull cycle. Yeah, like it's going to be here pretty soon, and then we're going to start. Here's another thing that I'm kind of fucking worried about, though, is that Solana fucking is in a fake it till they make it type deal, and it's starting to. They're starting to make it. They're starting to become the de facto meme coin volume, you know, or trading for meme coins, right? They're attracting most of the volume for me coins, like real volume now, and they're also getting all the new meme coins. So that's kind of concerning. I think that liquidity will eventually throw flow back into Ethereum, but when, right? Because I can easily buy a Solana, I mean any Solana coin I want, right through my, you know, exchange. So it's a lot easier to.
alex_eph612 We do have exposure to the Solana ecosystem because we are bridged to Solana,
Kulture0x right?
alex_eph612 So you should be still be able to buy APU on Solana through whatever decentralized exchange that you use.
Kulture0x Well, you can buy Solana meme coins through a centralized exchange now.
alex_eph612 That's true, but
Kulture0x you know that makes that opens a lot of doors. Makes it a lot easier for you know onboarding New people, so
alex_eph612 well, it needs
Kulture0x to move his ass.
alex_eph612 Not every single you know Solana token is tradable on a centralized exchange. Like for example, there's whatever 10,000 coins launched per day or more on Solana. If you can buy those. You can buy APU as well. That's essentially the point that I'm making on that same platform. When I search
Kulture0x APU in the exchange, it doesn't it just brings up the
DonPiFF_ Solana van. Yo, Alex, what's the volume on APU on Solana right now? Do you know?
alex_eph612 Let me take a look. I mean, it's probably quite low. Let's see.
Kulture0x This movie better be fucking good. It's practical, practical magic too. It's probably going to be shit.
alex_eph612 Volume is one 1000 per day on the salon. But yeah, you know the thesis is like you know Ethereum will eventually, you know, attract liquidity.
Kulture0x But meme, you
alex_eph612 know, that was. I mean, previous cycles
Kulture0x we didn't have a Solana ecosystem as big as this. So we have begs.
alex_eph612 I know that's true. But you know, people change their opinion about you know Solana, pretty much like right.
Kulture0x That's a good point. That's a great point actually, because everything is just cyclical. One minute Solana is the hottest, and everyone's like, then the narrative gets changed to eth memes, and they're all undervalued. You know what your
0xpatterns guys's problem is.
alex_eph612 So
0xpatterns you're not asking yourself what having Pat on your side can do for you. What kind of leverage you have by having Pat with you on your side?
Kulture0x All right, tell us, Pat. What is that?
0xpatterns Well, really, the possibilities are endless. It's up to you and your imagination to decide. You know, everybody, everybody wants a piece of Pat. Okay, everybody's trying to get in on the Pat action, but I already
DonPiFF_ got some of that.
0xpatterns But I'm very. What's Pat action?
saucestaja What does Pat do? A lot of things. A lot of
0xpatterns things, indiscriminate things, and mainly what I want, right? Mainly whatever I want to do, and so that's kind of my biggest power. Is if I want to be a part of something, automatically the value goes 10x, maybe even 100x, and you know the public might not know about that, but it's because they're all stupid. Everybody is stupid except for me, and I have to tell everybody what's cool. I got to tell everybody what they should like, and that's kind of what I've been doing, but not as hard as I could be, right? There, there are other ways to go about this. Right now, I'm just tweeting, right? But the whole world is my oyster. I could go out in real life and maybe even force people to buy the coin at gunpoint, right? Maybe, maybe I. How about this?
alex_eph612 Go force people to buy APU at gunpoint, and then you can take 20% and the rest you can just you know buy APU with it and burn it.
0xpatterns Why would I burn it?
saucestaja Well, that's the problem: is that nobody was actually serious. We got Pat up here saying dumb shit. Oh, who's that sauce?
Fren 6 Is that Chuck File sauce? Let me
DonPiFF_ lick you.
0xpatterns What do you mean, dumb shit?
Kulture0x Well,
saucestaja yeah, it's all the kind of people and tell them to buy APU.
0xpatterns yeah, dumbass. You don't think that would work? If you
Kulture0x burned it, then when you eventually. Go to jail. They couldn't get it back.
alex_eph612 Yeah, exactly.
0xpatterns That's valid.
alex_eph612 It's permissionless. Let's
DonPiFF_ ask. Let's ask a serious question. What are we doing to get people on board, Alex?
Kulture0x Oh yeah, you do that initiative, right?
saucestaja That trip.
0xpatterns We're making NFTs specifically for whales. You're not allowed to buy the NFT unless you're a whale already.
DonPiFF_ That's old. That's old. I'm talking about what's new for our pool. What's coming up? That's what I want to know. All
0xpatterns right. So we're gonna start accepting ABT.
alex_eph612 Dude, you're coming on here and you're just being like some Nigerian, going, you know, dev, do something, right? Oh no,
Kulture0x it's a good question. I, you know, hey, listen, I, I think in these spaces, there's enough room for all personalities, and, you know, I like Pat coming on and fucking around. It adds some fun to it, and then some people want to ask. Oh, sure, you
alex_eph612 know, whatever. I don't care who talks, whatever. Oh, they can have their own opinions, but you know, it doesn't mean that I can't not voice my own. No, I wow,
0xpatterns Alex, you blocked me.
alex_eph612 Did I?
0xpatterns Why would you do that, dude? You are a homo,
alex_eph612 dude. It's not personal. I didn't. I didn't even look at who I was blocking. You know, there's a lot of
Kulture0x there's a lot of people that block me too, and I'm not even worried about it. It just
0xpatterns this is this is unbelievable, man. I might just take my talents elsewhere.
alex_eph612 Oh no.
Kulture0x Hey, so let's talk. Let's get the conversation back onto what initiatives that you know are going on right now to help the coin? No, I don't even want
0xpatterns to talk anymore. This is fucking unbelievable. Let's relax.
alex_eph612 This is
0xpatterns unbelievable. It's unbelievable. This is a betrayal,
DonPiFF_ Patrick. Let's relax.
Kulture0x Do you have any? Do you have any anti-anxieties at your disposal?
0xpatterns Fuck this! I quit.
Kulture0x Salt liquor. Yep, some of that.
0xpatterns I quit, and I'm taking all my good ass ideas with me.
Kulture0x Well, too late. You already used them all. We have. I'm going.
0xpatterns I'm going over to SPX, okay, and I'm gonna start taking hormone blockers, and I'm gonna wear a wig.
Kulture0x Is that what they
Fren 7 do? Yeah, I don't know
DonPiFF_ why SPX gets so much hate. I'm gonna start wearing them guys over there. Them guys over there is something diffy. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah,
0xpatterns I'm gonna look good as hell. I'm gonna glow up, and you're all gonna be jealous.
DonPiFF_ All right, Patrick, especially you, Alex. I want to know what what's up. Pool got cooking in the fucking kitchen, Alex. What's going on?
Kulture0x Yeah, Alex, tell us what the latest.
saucestaja I think you guys, you guys, you guys really sound broke and desperate. Asking this guy what the fuck's Yeah, how the fuck is he supposed to know? What do
DonPiFF_ we got cooking in the shop? Nothing,
0xpatterns nothing, Don. Nothing's cooking, okay? Because Alex is fucking clueless and he doesn't understand culture. He doesn't know what.
Kulture0x Can you guys hear me? So I'm just gonna interject real quick, and everyone shut the fuck up just for a second, please, because I do want Alex to tell everyone what's going on with the liquidity risk project. It's I can't remember what it's called, Capital Flow or something. So can we all just shut the fuck up for two seconds? I'm gonna unmute it, and then he can say his piece, and then we can move back to bullshitting and jerking off. Okay,
0xpatterns Alex, I'm gonna rape you. I'm gonna come and rape you in real life.
DonPiFF_ Can I? Can you rape me first?
saucestaja Who does this pack guy think he is?
alex_eph612 Alrighty. Basically, I have some money at my disposal, and I want to pump the chart the moment that the global liquidity cycle indicates that it's moving to risk on assets, because I believe that APU can attract that liquidity. To that extent, I am waiting personally to invest my money at that time. Now, a lot of people they say that I'm preventing them from buying, or that I'm like predicting drawdowns or something like that. But I am not doing that. This is just my own personal money that I'm willing to invest into APU, and I'm literally telling people when I'm going to do it so that they can front run me. I'm telling the entire community when it's going to happen. Yeah, I don't. That's pretty
Kulture0x cool. I don't see many wells doing that.
alex_eph612 Right. So basically, you go to the Capital Flows chat on Telegram, and if you see, you know, I'm going to make my wallet public. I'm going to buy it with one wallet. I'm not going to use secret wallets. And if people are seeing that I am buying, they essentially can just fucking port full port into APU, and essentially this will create a cumulative effect where APU attracts the liquidity deserves at the precise moment that macro goes risk on. So your genius
0xpatterns idea is to buy the bottom and have everyone copy trade you. That's
alex_eph612 basically it, because the best marketing is the chart.
0xpatterns Awesome! I'm glad we could get to the bottom of that.
Kulture0x Let's let.
alex_eph612 I'm not a gate. I'm not the gatekeeper for that. Do you understand that?
saucestaja What's the difference between that and 5G? You guys cling on 5G all the time. Because 5g has
0xpatterns aura.
saucestaja Alex actually.
0xpatterns 5g has aura. Okay. 5g has aura.
saucestaja That's the difference. Yeah, you has 360 something e2. You stole from the wallet. But at least Alex actually says shit and has plans. You guys still hate on it. It's amazing. What does 5g do? He just hypes you guys and blows smoke up your booty hole with Happy. Hey, Froth, buy Happy. Like for real, you guys are dead ass right now. It's so fucking stupid. Good job, Alex. I like I like the initiative. I like the thought process. Sauce,
0xpatterns you haven't even been around for two years, buddy, you've been having a fucking mental episode. You've been having a psychotic break.
saucestaja Says the drunk that's fucking drunk at 12 o'clock in the day or whatever time. It's still daylight, and you're smashed already. Shut the fuck up, Pat. Sauce, sauce, sauce. That
0xpatterns is hilarious, dude. You're literally the alcoholic here. Let's relax. Let's
DonPiFF_ relax.
saucestaja Let's relax, sauce. There was that one point in time where Pat was known as a heavy fucking degenerate, and nobody wanted to associate with him until it became beneficial for the High Council, which is why they paid Pat. And Pat, you know what I'm saying is true.
DonPiFF_ Patrick, how much did they pay you? Cause I never got nothing. I
0xpatterns fucking wish I could be paid to be a drunk degenerate alcoholic. Definitely
saucestaja wasn't AK. Definitely wasn't AK months. That's for sure. I really finessed the hell out of those guys.
Kulture0x Thank you, Sauce, for that because I feel like we should get everything out. How we feel?
0xpatterns You hear that, Alex? High Council's paying me. Maybe if you paid me, I'd be on your side.
alex_eph612 I wish you know what. I hope they pay you the entire amount of money that 5g stole. I hope they give
0xpatterns it to you. I do too. You actually think that he's going on? I mean, yo, can I can
DonPiFF_ I say something?
saucestaja That's a little buzz right now.
DonPiFF_ Can I say something? Why do we keep going back? We're never gonna heal. Okay, we spoke about this months ago. Why are we going back to 5g? Why?
0xpatterns Let me ask you guys something. Where is the proof? Where is the proof that 5g stole this money?
Kulture0x So we do have we do have it's all in chainsaw on the on the ether scan. We can see that he extracted the money, and then we don't know where it went from there. So you can deduct if we haven't seen any of it for spent on the community, then where is it, right? I mean. if you can, and every time we ask them, they sidestep the question. So, if there's currently involved, why wouldn't you just say, "Hey, here's what happened" Well, sure.
DonPiFF_ Listen, we already spoke on this. We got past it. Why are we making a space going backwards?
Kulture0x Well, I don't. That's not my goal. But at the same time, if people are still, if people do still have feelings about this, then I don't want to, you know, mute them. How about this? Your feelings are valid. How you feel is valid. Let's
alex_eph612 table the 5g stealing community funds discussion for another time. Let's wait for culture to release his data package so that we can all see all at once on his epic note,
Kulture0x I mean, yeah, like me,
DonPiFF_ honestly, honestly, me, I don't think 5g stole no 500k, Alex.
Kulture0x Do you think he split it between? I
0xpatterns don't think so either.
DonPiFF_ He did not steal no 500,000.
Kulture0x So is that
alex_eph612 once you
Kulture0x is that just buy or
alex_eph612 once you look at the evidence, you can make that decision for yourself.
0xpatterns Look, Troom told me 5g can bench three plates,
DonPiFF_ and I believe it. He could bench three and a half.
0xpatterns Yeah, I believe that. I don't think that he would steal that money.
DonPiFF_ Nah.
Kulture0x Okay, so it's just vibes, right?
DonPiFF_ What you mean, Vibe? I'm a
0xpatterns really good judgey character, buddy. Listen, listen. Honestly, okay.
DonPiFF_ Let me put myself in 5g shoes. If I stole 500 motherfucking 1000, you think I'd still be on X?
0xpatterns Yeah, you just in here chilling with us?
Kulture0x I mean, it's worked so far. Ah,
DonPiFF_ the wallet. The wallet. Let's at the top of the wallet. The top. How much was in that wallet?
alex_eph612 Don, let me explain something to you. No matter what we say about 5g, you're not gonna believe it until you look at the actual on-chain. I looked at this. Let me ask you. When you made the dock, who has paid the docket?
0xpatterns Who has paid for the last like three sponsorships, do you guys know?
alex_eph612 Bane claims that it's community
DonPiFF_ out of pocket. They're coming out of pocket. So why
0xpatterns would? What do you think Bane is lying to?
alex_eph612 I do think Bane is lying to me. Why can't they
Kulture0x just say that then? Why don't they just say that and say here's the receipts? It would clear everything up, right? And where
Fren 6 else
0xpatterns do you think they're getting the money from?
Kulture0x I don't know. They haven't said they haven't provided any transparency.
0xpatterns Do you think they're actually pulling the money out of their fucking pocket to do this, and then just stealing the like that doesn't even make any
Kulture0x sense. I'm just saying the only way we know for sure is if there's accountability.
0xpatterns Okay, well here's my point. Let's say they did take the community funds. Okay, now they're paying for these sponsorships out of their own pocket, allegedly from your from your point of view. So they're using the community funds at this point, right? They put it in their pocket and they took it out to pay for the sponsorship. What's the difference?
Kulture0x Hey guys,
Fren 8 it's Friday.
Kulture0x Go ahead. What's up, bro?
Fren 8 Have you guys heard of SPX 6900?
Kulture0x No. What's that?
DonPiFF_ No, I never heard of that one.
Fren 8 Plug, plug us in. It's an anti-traditional finance movement. Are
0xpatterns we just gonna ignore what I just said? I feel like I just can't hear you. Made you guys look so foolish. I just made you guys look so stupid.
Kulture0x Oh yeah, Patrick.
DonPiFF_ I hear you and I believe you. You know, it just doesn't make any
0xpatterns sense what you're telling me. If you guys aren't paying for the sponsorships. Who the fuck is paying for it? Just think about that. The guy who's telling you he's paying for it is telling you how he's paying for it, and you're like, "Oh, he just stole this money, and then he got this other money out of nowhere.
DonPiFF_ Yo, yo, yo! Hear that? Okay, here in that,
alex_eph612 how about this? Let's say that there's some amount of money that was stolen. Let's say it's 500,000. Let's say that that's not a real number. Just for the hypothetically speaking, what if every partnership that is posted costs only 1000, right? It doesn't. What if they post? Well, okay. The point I'm trying to make is that it's a hypothetical argument. There is no accountability for the missing funds. We don't know how much is being spent. We don't know what the administrative costs are. We don't know how much has been pocketed. None of this is transparent. The only on-chain evidence we have suggests that there is a premeditated pattern of fraud, which indicates that 5G has created four different centralized exchange accounts and systematically funneled the community funds from the so-called community wallet into those centralized exchanges.
0xpatterns Okay, again, the same people you're accusing of taking this money. Sound gay, bro. Shut the fuck up, sauce. Shut the fuck up, sauce.
saucestaja I've been listening to your drunk ass ramble, sucking 5g's dick. It's gay now. All right,
Kulture0x so here's the thing. I just removed Pat from the speaker. Pat, you can come up in a separate day, but you're just overpowering the conversation here. Listen, there's vibes. I've heard what you guys have said, and there's and it sounds like to me that you're just like off going off of vibes and the partnerships, and that's fine. You made it. That's pretty. That's your emphasis. You're saying, I like 5g's aura. I believe he's telling the truth. There's paid partnerships. Okay, that's great. But what we're trying to say is on about this topic, and we can move on to something else. Is that what we are asking for is accountability and transparency, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, especially when it's coming to you know the community. If you care about the community, why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you want to see transparency? What? Why wouldn't you want to see where the where the funds have been spent and where they haven't been spent? Why? Why not? I don't get it. Why wouldn't you want to see that? There's also
alex_eph612 another thing that I want to say. We don't know what those funds have been used for. That is a given. Now, when we asked 5G what happened to those funds, he claimed four different things. Over a six-month period, the first thing he claimed is that he did not take it. Then he claimed that he took it, but he deserved it. After that, he claimed that he took it and used it for APU. And then later, he claimed that he took it, hasn't used it for APU, but we'll use it for APU at some point in a future date. Okay, those are four diametrically opposed statements, which indicate that there is lying going on.
Kulture0x Right, just logic, critical thinking. I mean, is that so hard to do? I mean, if you want what's best for the community, why wouldn't you just look at look at these things and ask yourself these questions? We're just asking questions, right? That's all we're doing. All we want is transparency. And then you're and you're coming up here and you're and you're over and you're talking over everyone. And I get it. Like it's okay, culture.
alex_eph612 You muted him. It doesn't matter. I'm almost I'm all more fucking
Kulture0x around on the microphone and having a good time and laughing, but when it comes to some serious stuff, can we just have a fucking just talk about it without it being some bullshit thing? You know, I mean, that's all I want to say on that. It's like just anyone in a leadership role. You want to be a high counsel. You want to call yourself high counsel and provide some leadership for a community token. I'm all for that, man, and I will help out as much as I can, you know. But at the same time, all that I want in return is a little bit of transparency. I spent 25 ETH personally on NFTs. That's a lot of money, and I was and I did it because I care about community and I want to see those that money go to the community, to marketing, or to whatever. You know, I thought I'd also have a little bit of say in it as well. I'm not gonna lie, you know. And if I don't, fine. I'm not butthurt about that. But I mean, I've always been vehemently against UFC partnerships and fight fighting partnerships because they don't fucking do anything. What has the has the? Let me ask you a question. Does the partnerships with the UFC have they have they fucking done anything for the for the exposure or price of the token? Has it moved an inch? I mean that could be just as much of a failed project as the well NFTs. Then you could say. So why is there all this hate against the well NFT project when 5g's marketing didn't do shit to begin with, and we and that costs at least 389 ETH, so that's all I want to say about that.
alex_eph612 Okay, so notwithstanding that, you know that's potentially an argument for a later date. That is a little bit like above and beyond the actual facts. Like anyone can say, okay, you know, I use this money for this. I use this money for that. You know, I believe that it's, you know, that I was I used it for is useful for APU. You know, this is all just you know opinions. But you know, if we look at the facts, we can we can essentially see a systematic pattern of fraud. All the evidence suggests that money was taken. We only have there is one other thing. We have
Kulture0x speculation unless there's transparency and accountability, and that's all. So why don't we just put this conversation to rest, right? Why don't they just show us the receipts, and then we have all the evidence, and then no one has to speculate on anything more. It's right there. Either he did or he didn't. And I want to know everyone in the High Council. I mean, did they know where the funds are going? Do they know? Because no one wants to answer the question. So they split it up between each other.
alex_eph612 Yeah, this is all speculative.
Kulture0x Well, that's why I'm asking the question, right? And not saying they split it up against with each other. That's what they did with it. I'm asking. I'm just. I'm. You know, in court, I'm called leading the question. But, you know, maybe we should get Blew on here to, since he's the lawyer guy. But anyways, I digress. All we're asking for is just some accountability and transparency.
saucestaja You know, there's no. I'm actually. Go ahead, dude. I'm. I'm so happy that it's finally came to this point, dude. I was on the same thing two years ago, three years ago when I left APU, because 5G and Shroom are shady. They really are, and they used the beef between me and Maxi as part of the little stunts that they were doing, and before, you know, I gave him the benefit of the doubt with the NFT project. I really did, even though we all knew it was shady as hell for the for everything to happen the way it did, just so conveniently. Yeah, you know, we yeah okay, shame on you. Fooled me once, shame on you. But then they kept fooling us over and over and over again. And once I realized that Shroom and 5G had some weird shit going, using me and Maxi to pit each other against ourselves, having no accountability, like you said, with leadership positions. It's like we're trying to send this coin to billions, but here we are stuck in the weeds with this infighting, and you guys just can't tell Maxi to get out of here or something or something along the lines of that. We're just going to keep this infighting. Going because it generates drama, generates content, and it generates some more cult conversations that they could have in their Telegram in space, not perpetuating any price action, just for them to be mad later down the road. And Alex, when things, when you know what I mean, and 5g gets away scot free because everybody is on 5g and they think 5g is some cool guy. I've never had a conversation with 5G. It's always been text. I never had a real, authentic interaction with 5G. It's always been on internet, on the internet, and through text, right? So I don't know where these guys get this affirmation. I don't know where they get this loyalty to 5G. I don't know where it all comes from. You know, maybe because they're probably unhappy and they got it at low market cap, so they're probably like, okay, cool. Like I'm winning right now temporarily, so I don't care what's going on. It's not my problem. Well, right.
Kulture0x And here's what we need to do, guys: is you need to step outside of this, walk away. Like I said in my video, walk away for a little bit, and then just think about things, right? Just fucking think. What do you see with your two eyes, and then what do you see on chain evidence? And I see a history of division in the community, of drama. I see missing Ethereum that was supposed to that was supposed to go for a community project. And you can say, well, they paid for these sponsorships, and they paid for this. That's great. Show me show me the receipts. I want to see the and then we drop it and move on. Isn't that what leadership does? No, isn't that what leadership does? Don't they squash drama? Don't they provide accountability? Don't they provide transparency? Don't they lead?
saucestaja Not if not if there's monetary gain on the back end.
Kulture0x What's the incentives, right? What's the real
saucestaja content? Yeah. Colt quote cult content bonding over negative trauma.
Kulture0x Right. And then I've never seen a leader of a meme coin before, or a group of leaders, unless they were scammers or ruggers, that have pivoted from one coin to another, and then use that to give them the views and the and the impressions toward their new coin. Have you guys while attacking
saucestaja a whale from the old coin? Yeah, that's a great point. Successful
Kulture0x project out there. You guys can do that. Let me ask you a question. How many how many years have you guys been in the space? I've been here since the beginning, since the fucking you know Ethereum was $3 a coin. I bought into the Ethereum Deo, and then I got hacked and I lost all my fucking Ethereum. So I made a lot of fucking mistakes, right? So, but at the same time, I made a lot of money through the through the DeFi aura era. That was fun. But I'm just saying, in my experience, I've seen go through my timeline of all my posts. I have like 24,000 post posts on X. If you don't believe me, go through my history.
alex_eph612 I've been in this space since August of 2012.
Kulture0x Yes. so just about as long as I have, but so I've
alex_eph612 seen every scam you can imagine. Yeah, exactly.
Kulture0x Me too. And I'm just saying that this follows this follows along the lines of more of those scam what I've seen with scam behavior than I have with legit project behavior. When there's when people start scapegoating, providing and creating division and drama, and subverting the topics when you start to ask questions, that's what scammers do. That's what they do, and then they sidestep.
alex_eph612 I won't
saucestaja ask them.
alex_eph612 Okay, I'd like to squash this narrative that I'm trying to take over the community or something like that. That I'm. I've never
Kulture0x once got that impression from you, Alex.
alex_eph612 Yeah, and you know, obviously, if you talk to me, if you actually talk to me like a person, you'll realize that everything that I shit post online is just a fucking joke from like 4chan culture. Right. You know that because that's how I came into shit on all
Kulture0x the fucking time. But what I can see with you is your transparency with your wallets. Ultimately, that's what I that's what I'm gonna that's what I'm going to judge you on. Is does your actions on chain align with what you what you say? And that's exactly what I've seen on the on the of that when but here's the thing
alex_eph612 I'm not let me talk this thing I'm not trying to blow air up my own ass okay I'm just saying if the actions of a single individual dictate the outcome of a decentralized meme coin then it's not worth investing in
Kulture0x exactly
alex_eph612 okay and that's why I don't want any fucking power in this in this community.
Kulture0x Well, you know that's you know the you know what in my experience, not just in crypto, but in business or whatever in life, it's usually the people who don't want the power that are the most deserving of it. I'm not saying that's what we should give you or anything, you know, because I don't want to. I didn't want that responsibility either. You know, but I'm willing to back someone who does, and don't get me wrong, and 5g, the High Council, everything they did a great job of riling everyone and providing leadership at the beginning, and it was great, but you know things started to fall apart, and there's some red flags that started to come up, and you know, in the worst times of things, people expose themselves. They either rock the occasion or they expose themselves. So we can go off vibes. We can go off what we what we see people do on X. We can see the feel good posts. We can do the funny memes and say the say funny shit on X and bullshit, talk about cartons of cigarettes and EBTs, and that's fun and games, and I love it. But at the same time, you got to start having serious conversations, hard conversations, and you need to start asking questions. And when people sidestep those questions and start pointing fingers and scapegoating other people, then that's a red flag.
alex_eph612 Yeah, and you know, ultimately, there really is no is no point to this finger blaming. We shouldn't care who the leader of APU is because all it does is it makes everyone complacent. It makes everyone go online and go, you know, oh Deb, do something. You know, this is just retarded. Right. Who is a decentralized meme coin? Right.
0xpatterns Right.
alex_eph612 We should be contributing to it in our own way, the best way that we can. We should be able to know how to work together without, you know, being stolen from or whatever.
Kulture0x And that's the thing. It's at the end of the day, it's fucking gone. And it's
alex_eph612 yeah.
Kulture0x So it doesn't matter, right? It doesn't matter at this point. What can we do to move forward? And so I, you know, and you're saying, "Hey, I'm gonna put up some my fucking own money, and I'm gonna be matching, you know, buys. And you can,
alex_eph612 yeah, I mean, that's what I can do. Is it's a perfect
Kulture0x solution? No, but it's a it's something, right? To get it started in the right direction, and maybe it works. You know, it doesn't, but at least you're fucking doing something. So
alex_eph612 right, and one other thing is, that's not really the only thing that I'm doing. Like I'm trying to dox all these whales, and I'm trying to get them to participate in that in the community. There are whales out there that are not aligned, and they're selling, but you don't know about them. I'm trying to make sure that everyone is known, so that everyone has responsibility and accountability.
Kulture0x And who created this narrative, right? And that begs another question. That's what I do. I ask questions. Is who created this narrative of the wells are bad? Because if anything, they don't understand. You have to understand how crypto works. Wells can be good and wells can be bad. It's not this hierarchy class of plebeians and wells, right? It's nothing like that. the point, the thing that you're trying to do is you're trying to provide transparency into the good wells and the malicious wells, the good the good wallets and the malicious wallets. That way, people can see it for themselves. They can see, okay, these guys are selling into the token, and these are the ones that aren't, and the ones that aren't are the ones we can see, and these are good people. So, if anything, you guys should be schlobbing on the knob of the whales that are transparent, because that is a good thing. They're trying to show you that they have no malicious action, and the fact that Alex created this plan is actually pretty smart. There's a lot of meme points don't have that, they just have huge wallets that are farming people. So it's a good plan, and I don't get the hate on it. I don't. I think that hate's manufactured. To be honest, that's what I think. Yeah.
alex_eph612 Let me explain something to everyone who thinks that 5g is your friend. 5g was my friend for a year, until he wasn't, until I was no longer useful to him, and the same thing is going to happen to you.
Kulture0x That's generally thank
saucestaja you. It's
Kulture0x generally how it works. So, if anyone has anything else to say, I'll open it up. I didn't want this space to be all about the, you know, the 5g, but you know, hey, it's on people's minds. You want to talk about it? I said what I need to say. I'm not gonna, you know, keep repeating the same things over and over again. You guys, ultimately, at the end of the day, believe what you want to believe., I don't believe anyone on X. I believe what I can see with my two eyes. I believe what's I believe if I can see something on chain. If I believe I can ask someone a question, they're upfront and honest with me, and they're transparent with me. That I don't give trust out. Trust is earned, and I will trust you when you answer questions and you provide some transparency, not just because of good vibes, and trust me, bro, doesn't work with me. But you're free to do whatever the fuck you want. Go ahead, Sauce.
saucestaja Yeah, well, I want to thank you for letting me up on the stage, and it's good to talk to you too, Alex. Yeah. So there's a lot. There's a lot to cover. You know, I was one of the first people, and like you said, I don't. I never wanted. Like I don't want to be one of some somebody that's that has an affection to the coin, to the price action, to any of that. I just wanted to be somebody that did the spaces and have fun and perpetuate community with my bros, but it got to a point where it got weird. And like how Alex said, "You're only useful until you're not useful, and my use ran out when they realized that they not only did they pull the NFT stunt, they could also just keep pulling these stunts with the drama and have this whole cult-like community because everybody took the cult shit way too far,
Kulture0x way too serious, way too
saucestaja far.
Kulture0x I mean, it's supposed to be a meme, supposed to be funny, not like actual, literally.
saucestaja But you know, and I don't want to bring it back to the boogeyman, but he took advantage of subjective minds. He took advantage of you know speculative price action, showing charts, trust to plan, very manipulative tactics-not leadership tactics, but very gaslit, very manipulative tactics, very subvertive. And I started kind of pointing that out to him directly, like you know, and he didn't like that. Scammers don't like that. So I did have the great sauce crash out. But really, what really bugs me is that he has all these cronies, all these goons, and I won't name all their names because they get like little you know ego boosts out of it. But it's fun for them. They have like this very vindictive personality about them, mostly to the point where they get it on Alex. Do something. Make price go up. Whales are bad, and those aren't their own thought processes. Those are thought processes instilled by you know who,
Kulture0x exactly the person
saucestaja that's telling them the whales are bad. Why? Because the liquidity is drying up on that particular coin, so they have to make a new one. So there needs to be new. There needs to be new agendas. There needs to be new incentives, and there needs to be that speculative price action again, which they have it again. So I'm glad everybody's starting to realize who the hell that guy is. Like trying to figure that shit out early on. Wake the fuck up.
Kulture0x Wake the fuck up. That's a good. That's a good song by Kill Army. It's a Wu Tang Wu King derivative! Wake the fuck up!
saucestaja Oh yeah, and you know, Alex, I just want to apologize to you because I was like acting like a very, you know, you know, cocky fucking idiot on the Telegram telling you like you know what I told you about the price and all that, and it's gonna, because I kind of already knew what was happening with 5g, and I didn't articulate it that well with you, so I do apologize.
alex_eph612 I appreciate that. Thank you.
Kulture0x And there's other communities. There's other communities that have commented and DM'd me, telling me that they heard they've heard of 5g was shady too. So I mean, it's not just like us in the community that think this is kind of an outside opinion too, guys, and I think that there's a there's a big reason why I think Optu could have hit billions. I really do, and they
saucestaja really could
Kulture0x have. It still, I think it still will, right? It's just set we're set back a little bit, but we're gonna have to refocus and do this and refresh our the people's are what they think of us, our their opinions of us, right? So,
saucestaja if I if I may, can I just toss in one more thing real quick?
Kulture0x I verified some peppy wells back in the day, and I was in the well chat.
alex_eph612 What's up, sauce?
saucestaja Oh, I don't know if I had bad reception at, but I just want to point out: Do you guys remember in the early stages of all this, the people who doxed themselves were the ones that, like Bellows doxxed themselves for the interview, Grape doxed themselves for the ads, like all the prominent early on and members of the community ended up doxing themselves, while the scammers left. They never did anything.
Kulture0x Yeah, and when you ask them to for some transparency, like why should I dox myself for you?
alex_eph612 Yeah, I know one of my friends from even before Apu, who I got into APU. He basically said, you know, they're not they're not worried about someone coming to their house and stealing their crypto. They're worried about someone taking retribution against their scamming, and that's why they don't dox.
Kulture0x Yep, exactly. That's what it looks like. But you don't know for sure until they provide their wallets. But they never will. They never will. Instead, what they'll do is they'll gaslight and they'll point fingers at someone else. So. With all that being said, I do think that we have a path to move forward. But first, what we need to do is we need to look at the past, and we need to talk about it, which we have, and we need to just move on, with or without them, and you know, get to work on some projects, get to get the vibes going back, and I think that you know we can move forward and we will move forward. So whatever we have to do, you know, maybe they'll move on to another token that that'll be their new thing, but we can just move on with Opu. I did I did talk to some Pepys wells a while back when Opu was at like 100 million, and I said, you know, they said they loved the meme, and they a lot of them wanted to buy Opu, but the community was too toxic at the time, and it was too risk averse, and I and I didn't know what they meant by that at the time because, and now I see it, 100% You know, so take that with a grain of salt, what you will. I did see their wallets, and they work epic wells. But you know, I think that if we if we change the ultimate point of that is, I think if we change our image, and we show we manifest the meme of op, not the fighting, not the toxic bullshit, but you know, a meme about friendship, jokes, innocence, you know, and I think it's more attractive than toxic fighting and gaslighting and calling everyone, you know, slurs. So that's just my opinion.
alex_eph612 Yes, I definitely agree, and I would like to reiterate that we should not care who the leader of Apu is. So Apu is a decentralized meme coin. That's why I bought it, right? I didn't know of High Council's existence. I didn't know who 5G was. I just saw that Apu was a relevant cultural meme, and
Kulture0x same here.
alex_eph612 I believed in the thesis that eventually all these altcoin baggies are going to full port into tokenized communities, and I believe that Apu was the best representation of that. Okay, right now we're doing this sort of like incestuous fighting with each other over a 5 million market cap shitter, which is essentially what we've made
Kulture0x it. Yeah.
alex_eph612 Now no one will remember any of this in a bull market.
Fren 9 Right.
alex_eph612 No one will care who the OG was and who wasn't, because let's say that APU goes to 100 million market cap from five. I'm not saying that's the top. Let's just say that it gets there. That means that there's going to be 95% new people in APU, and we're going to be 5% of the of that community. That's something that everyone has to realize that we have to make APU the meme coin palatable to investors. Okay, we should put all this infighting aside and present a unified front, and we absolutely should not be diluting our attention between two competing smart contracts, no matter what it
Kulture0x is. Seems like common sense, right?
saucestaja Yeah, I'm really glad you had this space, man.
Kulture0x Thank you. I should do it more often. That's fun.
saucestaja This right here, this right here is exactly what this community needs. Is this type of whatever this is? We need more of this.
Kulture0x I agree. And you know, I think there'll be there'll be conversations that are fun. There'll be conversations that are hard. There will be conversations that are heated. But ultimately, at the end of the day, we're all still here, and you know we have a we all have a goal in mind, and we can achieve it together, not by fighting.
saucestaja You know how with remember how this all started way back in the day, we had all these different crypto niche cliques. Remember, like way, way back, there was the Link Marines, XRP Army, the slimes, like all like the bow ties. We all kind of came together, and that was the strong. We even have a meme about that. And somewhere along the lines, we lost that.
Kulture0x That's true. That's a good point.
saucestaja Let's get it back.
Kulture0x I don't. I don't think anyone really liked the XRP army though.
saucestaja Yeah, yeah. But they were with us.
Kulture0x You know, every normie friend that I have, that's the. They still ask me, should I buy? When should I buy XRP? I'm
alex_eph612 telling you, should buy APU.
Kulture0x You do know that banks can just create their own stablecoin. That's what they're doing, right?
saucestaja Dude, I had this guy tell me that the United States is going to absolve all their debt with XRP.
Kulture0x Nice. He's going to make it. All right. Guys, I gotta get going because I have the 30 minutes to get to the movie theater. I got a date tonight.
alex_eph612 Are you gonna keep the spaces running, or are you gonna
Kulture0x running for you guys? And
alex_eph612 does that mean everyone gets to talk?
Kulture0x Yeah, I mean, I need to make someone else the leader of it, or the. Let me see if I can do that. Space is it in space settings? Speakers, every choice. do everyone, or should I just make someone the leader that can control the mic?
saucestaja You should make Alex the leader, just in case someone comes up and starts talking about race, or just some like just fucking the whole vibe of.
Fren 8 Yeah.
Kulture0x . All right. I'm going to invite co-host. So, if I invite someone to be the co-host and they are the co-host, and I leave, will you guys take over, or will I end the space?
Fren 8 Yeah, before you before you leave, I just wanted to make a couple of points of things that you brought up there with like funds and the NFT whale NFTs and UFC events and all that stuff.
Kulture0x Yeah, the
Fren 8 whale NFTs was objectively a retarded idea, right? Because the NFT collection is already 7777. What drives value is scarcity. So coming up with another NFT collection to just like flood that is pretty fucking retarded. And if you guys would have actually like brought that to the community that actually buys the NFTs to begin with, then we could have avoided a lot of headache and a lot of problems. You guys just went ahead and did it, and it caused a massive rift. People dumped their bags because of it, created a vamp because of it, tried to kill our token because of it. So it was objectively fucking retarded, right? Whereas sponsoring UFC events is actually a great idea because it gets us out of our crypto bubble.
Kulture0x Does it though?
Fren 8 And exposes absolutely does because those are massive events with lots of eyes on them that non-crypto normies will watch. Okay, and they recognize the frog because it is a cultural icon.
alex_eph612 Right. Okay.
Fren 8 But before the first event,
Kulture0x go ahead.
Fren 8 The guy Grape rugged the fucking website because some asshole in here tried to lowball him. So that's another stupid thing. And you guys are listening to Sauce, who's a fucking Jeet, and all he's doing is sitting here bashing all the people that have put in the work incessantly for the last part. Who did I
saucestaja bash,
Fren 8 dude? You. What do you mean? You've been sitting here bashing 5g the whole fucking. You're talking about
saucestaja one person.
Kulture0x Yeah,
Fren 8 and bashing the high council as a whole. I feel like I. So like, and those guys are not here that defend themselves or put in their side of the story. You actually saying all kinds of fucking
saucestaja lying and I'm new. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you feel that way.
Fren 8 I'm not saying that you're new, but I'm saying that you're a fucking Jeep.
Kulture0x Okay. Why do you say he's a Jeep?
Fren 8 So because you cheated his bank.
Kulture0x Okay. Have you
Fren 8 felt why? There you go. Why?
Kulture0x Have you?
Fren 8 Doesn't matter why. You're a fucking Jeep. It doesn't matter too. You're gonna hold the token and you're sitting here fucking back. Peter, have you
Kulture0x sold any Opu?
Fren 8 No, I haven't.
Kulture0x Okay. Bullshit.
Fren 8 Not a single token. Okay, so
Kulture0x another question for you. Can you can you can we see can you can we see
Fren 8 the and you guys are trying to dox people. That's another fucked up claim.
saucestaja Yo, they doxed me. First of all, you need to get your facts right, bro. I'm they dox they dox one of my addresses, okay. And I'm still here on the stage. I'm still talking. Yeah,
Fren 8 you're here just to bash people. That's the reason you're here, man. I'm
saucestaja not here. I'm not here. First of all, that's a very immature outlook. First
Fren 8 of all, everybody can hear it.
saucestaja That's it's very immature. I'm not here just to bash 5g. If
Kulture0x Uncle bashed 5g, then I did too. I mean, I'm asking questions. I'm just saying I don't think the leadership has been very good, and I and I think that there are questions about the F funds that need to be answered. And if there's nothing to hide, then why not just show us? I mean, is that? Am I wrong for?
Fren 8 Well, Pat made some pretty good points there, and you guys booted him, and then just he actually didn't make any points. I didn't boot him. I just there
0xpatterns we go. So
saucestaja the community funds got stolen out of the wallet. So if you think that they're paying out of pocket because they stole those funds, you know, disingenuous of an argument that is,
Fren 8 dude. That's all. It's all part of it, right? Like,
saucestaja that's not even an answer. So,
Fren 8 what do you think all that's any
saucestaja any other questions?
Kulture0x Like Jesus, did the defense lead to any price action,
Fren 8 dude? We're in the middle of a fucking bear market, man. Even everything went there. Even doing it in the not just us. They were even doing it in the bull market. DOC fights.
saucestaja Yeah, we didn't we didn't really see much of any price action, honestly. In fact, Gregor might have been the local top at one point. I
Kulture0x mean, I think that. Because the well, it had it didn't have as bad of effect as the well because of the vision. You're right. I think that
Fren 8 no, it was an exciting thing that people actually enjoy. We'll
Kulture0x agree with you about the well. It was a disaster. The well NFTs.
Fren 8 Yeah, it was. It was objectively focused on
Kulture0x that. And I disagree about the UFC thing though. I mean that that's not you know that's subjective. Some people are going to say, "Well, it's exposure outside of the crypto.
Fren 8 That that's exactly it, right? It is exposure, and fuck it, our boy won the goddamn title too. So that's pretty cool. Are
Kulture0x they going to be buying crypto? Those guys, they're going to be buying Opu, really?
Fren 8 Dude, I don't know, man. I didn't track the wallets of every single attendee at the at the UNF events, right? Well, you're saying you're saying these things are big deals, but yet we're not seeing anything to correlate that, except for the fact that we've got the most recognizable frog on earth.
Kulture0x I agree with you on that,
saucestaja and that's before all this. So we didn't actually believe that only adds to it, brother. So we so technically your argument is we haven't done anything. We just need to be nice to fight. You haven't
Fren 8 fucking done anything. Do you even hold the token right now? And you're still fucking talking.
saucestaja We're talking about something happened three years ago. We're trying to bring it back. Apparently, you're not having go buy a bag. Then you're not. You're not trying to have a serious conversation. You're not a serious person. Nobody's crying. You're not a serious. You don't even hold the
Fren 8 token, man. So shut the fuck up. Sure,
saucestaja sure, buddy.
Kulture0x Actually, if you guys chill for a sec, I don't. I think that out of everyone, the you know that supports 5g and that you know I think Herb has actually been the most logical and well mannered person. I mean that's not saying much, right? You don't have the competition isn't really high for that, but at least he's bringing up some points that are arguable, right? And I agree with some of them, you know. But listen, I think the well NFT idea was actually not a bad idea. I think it could have been executed better. But
Fren 8 no, there's nothing about it that's good, dude. Our top NFT holder almost dumped his bag because of it. Yeah, and it made people dump all of their bags and try to destroy our coin by vamping it. I guess so. There was absolutely nothing good about it. Why the fuck would a whale want to buy an NFT that he can't sell? Yeah, it's subjectively stupid.
Kulture0x Oh, I hey, you're not wrong. You're not wrong on that. So I agree that it was a disastrous idea. I have some pretty good ideas, but then I'm just idea man, right? The thing about me, so I've proposed a lot of ideas to the community, and I'm willing to work on some of these ideas myself. But what everything starts as an idea, right? So what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get other people to partake in the conversation with me about these ideas because that's how they start with a conversation. But every time I propose something, I might be ignored, or I'm told to shut the fuck up, just because that's kind of how our community is. And then I get mocked and ridiculed and say I'm an idea man. But what I really do is I'm trying to propose things to invite people into conversations with me, so we can get the ball rolling and we can start these things. Like I think that honestly the best way to get an attention is to do a Silicon Valley route, and that's create a platform that everyone can use that has no financial incentive, no token that everyone can just start using. And once it gains adoption and it gets really popular, then we can start saying, "Hey, buy Apu out of just nowhere, right? Just drop it out of nowhere, and you have 50,000, 100,000 followers because everyone just doesn't even know you're associated with the token, and then you just build anticipation, you build you build hype, you drip clues here and there, you get some speculation. So, I have a lot of ideas like that. I want to start. I want to start some of these projects, but the thing is, we're a community token, and I don't want to do things that may impact the token without other people's support. So when I when I talk about ideas, it's just mostly an invitation for other people to join me in the community. I just want to say that as well. That's something that's been bothering me.
saucestaja Yeah, that's the that's the power of memetics. A pood doesn't have a memetic ceiling, which is why it inspires so much creativity with the holders, which is kind of why the whole like everyone taking the cult shit too serious just seemed very like in bad taste. You know, we're supposed to just be having a good time.
Kulture0x Maybe we might fail on some of these projects, but you know the cool thing about doing an anonymous project to start, and then you can see if it fails or not. If it's successful, then you can later add Apu to it, right? But if it fails, no one knows it's tied to the project. That's something to think. Well,
saucestaja the only project should be Apu. There shouldn't be any other project, in my opinion.
Kulture0x What I'm trying to say is this: say you had a platform, a marketing platform for a meme point, just for an example, right? Let's not say this
Fren 8 is.
Kulture0x You don't have to. Sauce,
Fren 8 you're sitting there fucking saying that shit, but you've been begging to get into happy chat. So what the fuck are you talking about? Like you're retarded. You know, people like. Why is this guy even talking? People like sad. Shut the fuck up.
saucestaja Are you? Did you just come here to? Argue and get your voice heard. Are you actually coming here? No, I came here to counter like a gross job that
Fren 8 you're fucking talking about.
saucestaja You just you're mad because I'm talking bad about 5g. Let's just be honest here,
Fren 8 dude. You're talking bad and get your stance about all the people that are the fuck.
saucestaja Listen, we get we get your stance, okay? Alex is bad because he made the whale NFTs. 5g is good because you have a very you have a very big crush on them or something. I get it,
Kulture0x Herb. Can I ask you a question? You know, do you think that 5g and the High Council should provide transparency and accountability for the NFT project funds, or no? If
Fren 8 it's if things are getting spent on community needs, then fantastic.
Kulture0x Do you think we should cool? Do you think we should be able to?
Fren 8 I don't think any of them should have the docs, and I don't think that some guy who cheated his bag should be taken seriously.
saucestaja Who's when he's saying bullshit and he's been begging to get into
Fren 8 the other chat of another. I mean, now he's sitting here saying that.
saucestaja ask? Can
alex_eph612 I answer one of Kerb's questions?
saucestaja Yeah,
Kulture0x I got it. I'm gonna be late for my date. This bitch isn't gonna fuck me. So okay,
alex_eph612 great. You can stay here.
Kulture0x Yeah. No, I did. I did promise her I would go, but this is good. This is getting good.
alex_eph612 Okay, let me let me just clarify. There is a narrative being spun about me that I lowballed 5g about his domain, and that is why he redirected the domain apu.com. I would like to tell you that is inaccurate. 5g approached the existing High Council team, which included me, and threatened to redirect the domain unless we paid him $300,000. 5g and I discussed the situation, and we came to a mutual conclusion that we should send him a lower offer. I did not act unilaterally in offering Grape any amount of funds. They were not even my funds to offer, because those funds would have come from the treasury wallet, and ultimately 5g had the final say. In fact, it was 5g who sent him that offer,
saucestaja which people already knew that. Yeah, yeah. So there you go. There you go, Curb. Hopefully that answers your questions that you had.
alex_eph612 I mean, it didn't answer all of his questions. Another situation is, I took on a role as director of operation because everyone fucking aged out. No one didn't want to do any more work except for, you know, I'm not gonna say it was just me, but I was one of the only guys left that was actually doing shit. So once we got the hyperliquid bridge completed, the High Council realized that I was a useful member of the team, and they brought me on as a very low-level role called the director of operations. From a business standpoint, it's not even C-level, right? C-suite as in chief, whatever, whatever. I was mostly an ideas guy and an execution guy. We had you know multiple stuff that we you know came together and discussed you know whatever was a good idea whatever was a bad idea we came to a mutual understanding and every time that I came up with an idea I would tell them listen guys I'm not married to this particular idea if the community doesn't want to approach doesn't want to do this, then by all means let's not do it. And every single time I was met with no, no, no, it's a good idea, let's do it. And of course, in a bull market, every idea sounds fucking great. Everyone expected funds, the federal fund rate to drop, but it didn't. It just so happens that the whale NFTs were launched at the exact moment when the market shifted down, and that's why everyone blames the whale NFTs for whatever a post so-called failure.
Fren 8 Nah, dude, the whale NFTs aren't blamed for the market going down all around. They're blamed for causing a massive rift within the community where holders dumped their bags and then subsequently created a vamp and tried to fuck us over and caused all kinds of bullshit, which subsequently would scare off any new potential investors, and at the same time, top. NFT holders wanted to dump all of their NFTs as a result as well. Mainly, I'm talking about Moon Death. He ended up not doing that, but that was a very real concern.
saucestaja Well, let's talk about why these things happen in the first place?
Kulture0x I think that's cool.
Fren 8 Yeah, yeah, yes. Either way, like some of this stuff is kind of retarded, and I don't know why the fuck we're even listening to Sauce.
Kulture0x I don't like Sauce personally. I mean, I don't get the hate, but I'm not. Like I said, I haven't been.
saucestaja It's they're they told they've been they've been told to hate me by 5g for the past three years. They're just like hitting they're hit they hit their head over the head they hit got their head hit over the head with a hammer multiple times.
Fren 8 Do you own a bed? They
saucestaja don't they just he doesn't even know what he's mad at. He's just mad because he's told to he's mad because he's told to be mad, and that's the only reason why he's here. He's not here for logical discourse. He's not here to be like have an honest, logical conversation. He's here. I think he's been pretty well. And okay, so the reason why I quote Gene in my bag is because there's cause and effect. There's correlation to what these guys do. There's so everything wasn't all peaches and cream. You know, some of us have been here longer than others, right? Some of us have been here since day one. I don't think you have, Curb, but I know I have, and I've learned. I've been in special chats with guys, been in special chats with them, and I've got to know them personally on an intimate level throughout those years of having the coin. So I don't know where I don't know like I don't even know you, okay, and I don't know why you think you know me. You come up here and you have like all this like you have the you know have the right to talk to me the way you do. I mean you're entitled to your opinion, right? And that's cool, but what you don't understand is that there's a lot of things that happened prior to the whale NFT drop, the reason why that happened was because there was infighting because of 5G and Shroom and all these other guys having a need to have content to keep the bond together with these guys. That's the problem. So once the infighting was done, we had a mass fallout once I sold my bags and everything happened. We had a bad we had a bad infighting situation after that, which turned the whole entire community into this weird four chan group chat. We're gonna trauma bond off negativity from now on. Essentially, that's where the whole and that's why the way. And then they got Alex aboard. They got Alex on board a little bit after that happened because they needed a new source of whatever they needed. So Alex had these ideas for the whale NFT, and he has a lot of technical analysis. Like the way he describes things makes sense. He was trying to time it with the market, which is very admirable. But sometimes you can't do that, right? So there's
saucestaja there's levels to this shit, right? And just because so,
0xpatterns just in case anyone wants to know,
saucestaja just because you hear bad about me for the past two years, like you're in fucking popcorn space and he's passed out and drunk, and these guys just talk bad about sauce, you don't know all the other shit that's happened before. You don't know all the steps other people have taken to get to the point where we've gotten right, you're just told to be hateful, and you're told to think these thoughts. Yeah,
alex_eph612 I think it would be a little bit more useful to have a productive conversation if we didn't all try to make personal attacks against each other. Like for example, there's no need to say that someone is a drunk, right? There's no need to say that someone is a drama queen or something like that. Just you know, stick to the facts.
0xpatterns If everyone would like to know the real reason that people don't like sauce, it's because he freaked out like a little girl and started calling Shroom's child names. He started talking shit to a literal child, and then shitting on all of his friends while we sat in a group chat and discussed how can we bring sauce back to sanity. We discussed for a week what are we supposed to do about this guy who is having a mental breakdown because he's our friend and we wanted him to stop having a fucking?
saucestaja Yeah, we're not gonna entertain that weird shit.
alex_eph612 Yeah, Alex just
saucestaja said. Alex just said, "Don't personally attack, and he comes and tries to personally attack me. I don't know. See, I don't know where this weird, vindictive, you know, spiteful attitude comes from. I'm sorry you guys don't like me because you're told not to like me. I just sorry about that. I'd hate me too if I wasn't you. Oh, and the reason why I was talking shit about Shroom and his kid was because they split the ETH from the community wallet. Him and 5g are in cahoots with each other, and all these other guys-they're totally clueless to what's going on, but yet they bash somebody like Alex who has good ideas and actually tries to push the needle forward. It blows my mind. These guys have low ports, and they're telling the fucking whales make number go up.
alex_eph612 You know that's actually a really good point. So there, there is like a the culture of this token is essentially dictated by the original events, so Grape came in, and he was essentially the finance guy for the High Council because he just was spending money willy-nilly. Eventually, he got chewed up and chewed out, but that's beside the point. Now everyone expects Wales to finance the. the token projects, and everyone has their own pet ideas about what they should be. But what you guys got to realize is that the whales have lost the most money out of everyone. There should not be an expectation for whales to fund anything, if they do fund something, it's going to be something that you know that they come up with because it's their own fucking money, right? No one gets no one gets the ability to unilaterally decide what others should do with their own money. That's socialist. It's two wolves and a sheep arguing what to have for dinner.
saucestaja Yeah, but Alex, and again, it goes back to the beginning stages of how these people got introduced to the coin. They're being told whales are bad by the high council. Whales are bad, you know. And then they try to once they can't facilitate the whale culture. Once they realize that there's no money coming to them as they thought they would be getting, everything changes. You're not of use anymore. There's no use to these guys, and it's a really shitty feeling, you know. I mean, you were cool with them for a year. I was cool with them for a little longer, and it's like, yeah, I thought we actually were decently friends. Like, I thought we're like, you know, that we're in this together. But it's only really one sided, you know. And it's really a cold feeling realizing that you know these at the end of the day, the whole friend ideology. I mean, not that you know you take it too serious, but you'd like to think it has some merit, but it's all just it's all just bullshit to these guys, really, you know. And now it is what it is. So I'm, I'm, you know, I'm with it. I'm with the whole poo train. I'm, I'm with the coin. I want this. I want to see this coin go to billions. We could have had something great happen before in the past, but due to bad leadership and bad choices made, it just went to shit, and that's fine. That's okay. It doesn't mean that things can change. So, you know, I do want to just let you know that whatever we whatever I need to do, bro, like I'm with it, dude. Like I believe in this coin, and I don't really care about what all these other pagers say. I don't care what anybody thinks. They try to dox me. They try to say I'm this. They try to call me an alcoholic. They try to say that I'm insane. They try to say all these weird, very negative, like just not good people. Really, basically, they're not. Let me
alex_eph612 interrupt you for a second. I just want to let you know, I'm not taking any of this personally. It's no big deal to me. It's water off my back. It really doesn't matter, and it ultimately shouldn't matter to you. If you are upset at something that happens on a screen, just you know, turn your phone off and you know, go touch grass. It's really no big deal.
saucestaja Definitely not. Definitely not upset. It's at the point now where I don't have any remorse for the things that I've said to these people because these people aren't good people. So when Kirb comes up here and starts talking smack about things I did three years ago, yeah, I was it was justified because these people they're not good people. I'm sitting here investing my money into a coin. It feels like I'm giving it away to somebody, you know. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna sell my bag.
alex_eph612 This is something that unfortunately happens. You know, we're in a decentralized community, and not everyone's gonna have the same opinion. But eventually, you know, scammers run out of money, they move on to other things, and we move on, right? And you know, that's what we should do here. So let me ask you this question. I'm not trying to say that you're a bad person for selling because you did not agree with the actions of the individuals that were in APU. But let me ask you this: Consider the fact that the best. Time to make money is when everything seems bearish. Considering this, let's say that we're nearing the end of the bear market. Are you interested in buying APU at this point, or are you waiting for this entire thing to unravel?
saucestaja No, I still have. I still have 330 million APU, I still have APU. I still have coins, and this whole like, this whole like Jeep. I don't care. This is the first time I heard about the Jeep thing, but yeah, I'm still here. I'm still involved. I'm not. I'm not like. I'm not like a immature person. I don't have low T. Like I'm here to try to make money and actually have good logical conversations with you guys, and try to figure out like how we can make the coin not a laughing stock of crypto Twitter. Have kind of people change their sentiment about Apu.
alex_eph612 Okay,
saucestaja that's what's important to me.
alex_eph612 Okay, may I ask you what percentage of your crypto portfolio is in Apu?
saucestaja I'd say about like 2020, 25% Okay.
alex_eph612 Let me see what my percentage is. Let's see here. 99.8%
saucestaja Holy shit! Yeah, but I like I like your thought process though. Betting against the financial structure of the United States, it's going to shit.
alex_eph612 Yeah. So I mean, obviously, Apu is a small percentage of my net worth at the moment, but in terms of the actual crypto that I own, it's exceedingly high. I basically have just a little bit of dust in some other wallet, and that's
saucestaja it. Yeah, I love the memetics with APU. It's literally it's literally ruthless. You could do so many things with this character. That's why I love it so much,
alex_eph612 yeah.
saucestaja There's so many things that we can do.
alex_eph612 You know
saucestaja the IPs there. It's amazing. I
alex_eph612 like to say that there's a lot more numbers above a certain market cap than there is below, and that's why that's why that there's like an uncapped upside, right? And if there's an unkept upside, you should not be begging people to sell to get smaller entries.
0xpatterns Are you guys Are you guys interested in having a conversation based in reality at any point today?
saucestaja That's what we're doing. Did you want to contribute or? Yeah,
0xpatterns I've tried twice, and you've kicked me from the space twice. Both times that I have,
saucestaja we're having a conversation, right? Would you like to contribute?
0xpatterns Yeah, I was trying to, but I'll just I'll just go back to where I left off before you kicked me again. We were discussing for a good week how we could speak to some sense into you to get you to stop crashing out on us?
saucestaja Really, Pat? We're literally having a conversation, and you're coming here making it the Pat Show. Really, bro? All right, I'll unmute you. Go ahead and just say what you want to say. You want to say it so bad.
alex_eph612 Pat, you gotta click the mic to talk.
0xpatterns Yeah, I said I was going to pick up where I left off because you kicked me from the space when I was trying to have a real conversation with you. So once again, we talked for a while about how to talk some sense into you because we liked you. You were our friend. You were the guy who actually got me into the group chat. I actually liked you, and I defended you for a while. I defended you longer than I should have because you were embarrassing me. It was embarrassing to be cool with you, and now you're coming back and you're acting like we're all bad people, dude. Shroom was literally saying how close he was to you, and saying that he's confused as to how to reply to you because you were bashing his fucking family, going crazy on the timeline over some stupid beef between you and Maxi over what amounts to what $20 today.
saucestaja What amounts $20 today? But since today, how many years ago has that been, Pat? the fact the fact of the
0xpatterns matter is, it's pocket change. It's nothing, and you guys got into some crazy beef, and then you started taking it out on everybody.
saucestaja That wasn't even. That wasn't even. Now you don't even know your. Okay. Okay. Cool. All right. Well, I appreciate you for coming up. Was that it? Or
0xpatterns see? Now you're acting like a little bitch. Like, why are you acting like such a little bitch? You want to talk about low T? You're all fucking passive aggressive and shit.
saucestaja Nah, dude. It's. I'm sorry that you think it's the Pat Show right now. Unfortunately, it's not the Pat. Show, we were just trying to have a conversation about APU, and honestly, Pat, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm sorry that you felt embarrassed, but I'm glad that I got you in the group chat. But at the same time, I don't even know who you are. Like this is the first time we actually had a voice conversation, and who knows how long. So don't try to like act like we've known each other because that's weird. All right, bro. So yeah, any if you want to contribute to a conversation like a grown adult, that's what we're trying to do. But look what you did. You fucked it all up. Good job.
0xpatterns Hey, can you stop muting me? Can you stop doing that?
saucestaja No, it's actually kind of fun. It's actually I haven't been a co-host in a while. Yeah, yeah, I know this is super big for you. Not argue with Pat. No, I'm trying not. I just want to. I just want to be consistent. I want us to be
0xpatterns honest. I want the truth to be out there. I don't want you guys to keep lying like you are because that's all I've heard is bullshit and lies about everything, about all of this that has happened about no literally every single thing I've heard all of you guys talk about this whole time has been a lie. Just
saucestaja upset about 5g. That's it. You're just buddy. I don't know 5g. I don't know
0xpatterns you. I don't know any of these fucking people. Okay, I don't know any of you. I don't know Alex. I don't know shroom. I don't know popcorn. I don't know secret.
saucestaja So, so then there's no reason for you to be on the stage then because you're not trying to contribute to the conversation. Is what you're literally telling me. No, I'm actually
0xpatterns trying to have a conversation, and you keep getting upset and muting me like a little girl.
saucestaja I'm not upset. You're very upset. You're crying. You're damn
0xpatterns near in tears over there. That's why you keep muting me. You can't handle somebody speaking to you like a man.
saucestaja When I when I do this, when I when I when I do this, when I do that, are you crying out, Pat? Because you wanted to talk like a man and make it the Pat show? Get real, fucking dumbass.
Fren 10 Yo, Sauce.
0xpatterns Seriously. Sauce.
Fren 10 Can we? Can we get Alexander as a co-host as well?
saucestaja I'm. I want to, but I can't do that. It's culture. It's culture space. But yeah, we're trying. I'm trying to have a fucking conversation. Not trying to have come in here.
alex_eph612 His, his new girlfriend wouldn't have sex with him. So,
saucestaja yeah, he left her waiting.
Fren 10 He's coaching. Got him.
alex_eph612 Ah, let me DM him. See if he's alive.
saucestaja Yeah, we need you as a co-host, Alex,
alex_eph612 Marty. All right.
saucestaja Yeah, the whole therapy session-that's a weird vibe. Let's not do that. You know, we're grown men. We're not like female Karens in an HR space. We don't need to talk about that shit. You know, let's talk about the coin and what we can do as a you know. Let's bring the vibes back. Listen,
alex_eph612 I can be a co-host, but you guys need a. Someone needs to lead the conversation. It's not something that I want to do. I'm willing to answer any questions that anyone has. But
Kulture0x we just want to. I'm in my car. What's up? Do we just want to end it here and be like, "Hey, yo, let's, we had a we had a good talk, good talk, guys. No, or do you guys want to keep talking?
Fren 10 Keep the momentum. Yeah,
alex_eph612 they want they want the chat, or rather, they want the spaces to keep running. All right, we'll keep it running. The show goes on. They want you to make me. Show
Kulture0x goes on,
Fren 10 bro. Can you make Alex a? Can you yeah make Alex yeah
saucestaja make yeah?
alex_eph612 I think I can do it now. If I
Kulture0x did,
alex_eph612 there we go. Okay. Let's see. This is my first time. Let's see. Maybe Ramza wants to talk about his feet.
Kulture0x I'm more of an ankle guy myself.
saucestaja What about cankles? You like cankles?
Kulture0x Ah, yeah. Just kidding. Those folds. Ooh, baby, some butter.
saucestaja like folds in a biscuit.
Kulture0x Hell's yeah, brother.
alex_eph612 Shit,
Kulture0x that's what I'm talking about.
alex_eph612 So, are people supposed to like request to talk and then it pops up on my screen? Yeah,
Kulture0x yeah. It'll just be like you'll see a thing that says requested, and then from there you can approve the requesters, or you can just make it a free for all. But I don't like that method because it gets chaotic pretty quick, and then everyone sleeps.
alex_eph612 Right. Okay. Well, anyone who wants to like talk, just push that button. I think next time
Kulture0x I host the spaces is going to be conspiracies only, and we just like fucking go off for hours about conspiracies.
saucestaja Oh, I got a lot of those.
Kulture0x Yeah, hell yeah.
saucestaja The world is definitely flat for sure.
Kulture0x Think so? Yeah. I don't. I don't know how they got by that one. The flats are
saucestaja being used to gather a database on Christians so we can cut our heads off because the military has military grade guillotines since 2015. If you don't think the Earth is flat, just sell your poop.
Kulture0x Shit, what? I mean, we have images from space that show it's spherical, right? Images
alex_eph612 that were those are videos made by the Jews.
Kulture0x Huh? Interesting. Yeah.
saucestaja What is a true Saturn? When you look at the stars in a telescope, they look like water splats or whatever. But Saturn actually looks like a planet. It's a trip. You know what I'm talking about. Saturn looks like a
alex_eph612 planet. Yeah, culture. I got a, I got a quick question for you. Are you able to turn down the volume on your mic a little bit because it's picking up the road noise?
Kulture0x Oh, it is. You know what? I'm just gonna. I'm gonna unmute myself and go watch this movie and chill. I want to talk more with you guys, but I'll just do another space with you guys in our time. This is my, this is my, I'm in my Type R. Good for you, man. Guys, hear that? Guys, hear the bulls?
saucestaja Hell yeah! Just another elitist whale, bullish on real life.
Kulture0x Hey, it's just a it's just a Honda Type R. It's not like a Lambo.
alex_eph612 Ah yeah.
Kulture0x I did all the work myself. I got it's like I got a stage two kit in it, and I modded the ECU as a down pipe, front pipe, air intake, new radiator performance radiator performance intake performance.
alex_eph612 Can you yeah? That was like 400 horsepower on your car and go over it.
Kulture0x Yeah, let's do that.
Fren 11 Yeah,
Kulture0x I like that's worthy of everyone's time.
alex_eph612 Right.
Kulture0x Okay, guys. Well, it's been real. I'll leave it open for you guys and talk to you later.
saucestaja All right. Have a good one. Drive safe. Enjoy the movie. All
alex_eph612 right. So, if anyone would like to get on the mic, just push your mic button, and I'll approve it.
___Payback___ Alexander, quick question for you, and I only want you to answer on the condition it's not going to stir up a whole bunch of unnecessary drama. At this point, what are your uninhibited thoughts and opinions on happy?
alex_eph612 . How do I say this without stirring up drama? Okay. I actually have a technical analysis on happy, and it's completely outside the realm of any particular opinion. I can share my thoughts about that. I just have to pull up my notes.
___Payback___ Well, he's gathering those sauce. Good to hear from you again. It's, it's been quite some time. I hope you're doing well.
saucestaja Yeah, it's been a long time. Been a couple years now, man. I'm good, bro. I'm good.
___Payback___ Oh yeah, are you doing good
saucestaja too?
___Payback___ What are you up to nowadays?
saucestaja Oh, I got I got a little bit of happy. I got some of poo. I'm still in the market. Yeah, dude, just dealing with real life on the side. I'm just fucking trying, still trying to make it, bro. Obviously, I don't have enough money. I'm still here, so you know. Oh, dealing with two-factor authentication requests-you know, just shit that happens when you get doxed by you know people who you thought were your friends. Just all the fun stuff, bro.
___Payback___ I heard some bits and pieces about that earlier. I hope that. That drama. Yeah,
saucestaja I was trying to build trying to build lore for the fucking coin, bro. And I was talking to Lamore, and fucking just you know she ended up leaking my number. And then once they got it, bro, they went crazy and sang with it, and they made like all these alt accounts. They can't. They try to like make me feel weird. They try to say I live in a park, all things that kind of me, and try to shoot me away from the from the whole entire community. It's just like so whack. It's so low energy. It's so and if like I want to have a yeah you're good.
alex_eph612 I have my happy notes. So, this is notwithstanding any personalities involved or anything like that. This is a sim. This is simply the objective problems with the happy launch, and I can go over them. There's like six of them. So, number one, they didn't use the happy merchant image itself, but instead to yellow hands. So anyone looking to invest in the culturally relevant meme of the happy merchant will not understand that this meme represents it. So essentially, if you have to educate your buyers what your meme actually is, you artificially cap your upside. Number two, the ticker is happy instead of something that actually makes sense in the context of the meme itself, like merchant. And so this is a limitation of the actual Pump Fun launchpad because it only allows six characters. Which brings me to my other points. So in order to break out of the Pump Fund Casino, you need support from Pump Fun itself, the company, and they'll never list this meme on their platform because the owner of Pump Fun is Jewish, so its potential is capped forever. Number four, launching on Pump Fun artificially caps whatever support you could have gotten from the APU community because everyone remembers that 5G has been shitting on Solana and bullposting about Ethereum for two fucking years. So you would have to be brain dead to alleviate that cognitive dissonance. Number five, there is already a happy ticker on Solana for Happy the Dancing Cat, and this artificially caps your ability to attract buyers because they'll simply buy the older ticker instead of yours. And number six, the happy chart has essentially been raped by bots. $130,000 of liquidity has already been extracted from everyone that has invested in it, and the reason this happened is because it's essentially a solved game. So, like when you launch on Pump Fun, there are these bots that expertly acquire 80% of the tokens by tracking the prevalence of coordinated team buying and injecting their orders in between them, resulting in an automated system that steals liquidity from every potential future pump for a near zero cost basis, and which brings me to point number seven: the culture of Solana relies exclusively on platforms like Bubble Maps to figure out whether or not they want to invest. And the problem with the problem with this launch is that Popcorn essentially wasn't careful, and he bundled 30% of the supply, which is visible on bubble maps for everyone to see. As a result, no one's going to fucking invest in it, and is all just going to be cycling their own money, because they're going to look at bubble maps and see, okay, this shit is bundled to fuck, you know, and they're just not going to buy, and those are my.
saucestaja That was great
alex_eph612 opinions about the one.
saucestaja That was fucking awesome.
___Payback___ Thorough analysis that exceeded all expectations. Can't say I agree with everyone to a fault, but nicely done.
saucestaja I thought about the whole pump thing too, with the owner being Jewish. Never listing that good ones. There are good points as well. Yeah, man, they're going to good stuff. Yeah, I had to mention they're on the timeline, begging people like Froth to get his community and on it. It's so wack, bro. It's so wack.
alex_eph612 There is a final point, and it speaks to the competency of the of the deployer, so the problem there's a existential problem with Happy, and that is that it's liquidity expressed as a ratio liquidity to market. Cap is lower than 10% So what this means is that it's really easy to pump, but it's also exceedingly easy to dump. The first like couple of big coals that they gave out supply to the first time they you know they dump their tokens for free. They're essentially going to take all the liquidity that's available, and the chart will come crashing down.
___Payback___ So I am by no means a chart reader, technical analysis guy, as is a subset of the holders for any given project, any insights on the chronology here? When do you predict that happening?
alex_eph612 Well, we you know for happy to survive, we essentially need a continued and sustained bull run, and if we start retracing, if the big caps start retracing even three or 4% the remaining bots that are invested in the coin are going to sell their token, which is 6.5% So the bots still own about 6.5% which represents about 70% of the available liquidity. So essentially, it's not a time frame type of thing. It's more like you have to watch the big caps, and if they start retracing, that's going to be reflected in Happy's chart as well. And this is all going to be automated?
___Payback___ Say rather sharp analysis, Alexander. Thanks for that this afternoon.
alex_eph612 Yeah, thanks. No problem.
saucestaja Yeah, I wish I wish everybody makes money off it, but it doesn't seem like it's that viable. Not at all. How do you go about? How do you go about when you when you look at these things, Alex? How do you go about it usually? How long you been doing that for?
alex_eph612 You know, I came into this into this ecosystem. I guess you could call it, knowing absolutely nothing, and I just learned from the people who did things better than me, and you know, unfortunately, a lot of those people have aged out and are now gone, and I'm one of the few people that are still left, you know, kind of like picking up the pieces of what they used to do,
saucestaja because I don't hear too many people talk about like the type of paradigm you have and how you how you view the market and timing it. Not too many people talk in these regards, at least not the people that I've listened to or talked to on Spaces as of recently, so it's somewhat like a it's like a fresh take almost to hear someone like from how you explain it. You know, it's almost like a breath of fresh air almost. Kind of like revives the whole spirit. You know, it kind of gives me that whole speculative aspect again with kind of saying where we can take this thing. You know, that's what that's what that's what we need, man, and that's the vibe, honestly.
alex_eph612 Well, you know, I appreciate the compliment, but I want to say I'm not like an expert in any of these fields. There are people that are doing this that are a whole lot better than me. It just so happens that I'm a prominent member of this community, and I like to participate in it. There, the people that are doing these sorts of analyzes. They're quite hidden. You know, they're not really interested in participating in the community. They're just, you know, they have a shorter time preference than me, and you know, they're mostly in it for the money. A
saucestaja lot of people need then held in space, so makes sense why there's when people are told to think certain things, they think that that's like the breadwinning thought process. You know, you don't need to have the results. It's just, you know, oh, this guy that I follow on Twitter is saying this, so I need to just follow along with it. Whether it's the price of Bitcoin, some meme coin, whatever it is, people don't actually like. For instance, you're take it as a compliment if you want, but people don't take the time to actually figure out who they are as an investor. You know, so that's it's a breath of fresh air to actually hear somebody talk about things on like not just a you know like a macro level, but you know just overall, you know, you can't time the market, but you know just at least that thought process is there, which is important. It's not just you know here's a chart, and you're gonna circle something on the chart, and then one day, guys, you know what I mean? Sure. That's what a lot of these guys do. A lot of these guys do that shit. A lot of hope, yeah.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean, pictures with arrows is you know drives a lot of narratives. But I heard an interesting perspective, and that is, you can essentially take whatever chart you want and have it say whatever the fuck you want. You have a pre-existing you know opinion about something that might happen, and then you can figure out a way to make a chart support that, zooming in, zooming out, drawing different arrows.
saucestaja Do you? So do you believe in the four-year cycles?
alex_eph612 You know, I do. I can't really dismiss the fact that they've existed for the last however long.
saucestaja You don't think they get drawn out longer, like the time frame gets drawn out longer?
alex_eph612 There are people that think that, and these people are better at making money than I am. They're mostly focused on like high caps, and when I say high caps, I mean something that's over a billion market cap.
saucestaja Got it. Got it. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not one of those people that wants to hear a game plan for APU. Honestly, I already kind of know where it's going to go. Ethereum's going to hit 10k, and then flows is going to fall into it. But then, if you have this idea of kind of positioning yourself and then presenting it to other people, I think that would help out as well too.
alex_eph612 Sure, but I don't want people to mistake my actions for like some sort of unilateral decision making. I'm just telling you guys what I personally am going to do. It's not like I came into APU with a bunch of secret fucking whales, and you know I'm farming the chart. You know I bought everything with my own money, and every ounce of support I have in this community is just one person after another that I've managed to convince of my particular perspective, right?
saucestaja You represent the
alex_eph612 opinion. Sorry, go ahead.
saucestaja I was going to say you represent authenticity.
alex_eph612 Well, you know that's fine, but you know ultimately my point is that we should not invest in APU if we think that it has a leader. It should be decentralized; otherwise, it kind of defeats the value proposition.
saucestaja That was the thought process in the beginning.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
saucestaja and somewhere along the lines, I don't know if money got involved or the High Council, whatever. But eventually, it turned into there's a leader now.
alex_eph612 Yeah, and a lot of people are really up my ass about this whole thing, because think about it like this: I don't have access to the funds. I don't have access to the website. I don't have access to the socials. I don't have access to anything. The only thing I have access to is like a Telegram group that I made, and that I chuck in. Really, if people want to listen to me, that's fine. If not, you know they can do whatever they want.
saucestaja But they hold stock in you because they know that you're a whale. That's the thing. You kind of have the authenticity, so people don't have to question is Alex a whale. They know you're a whale because that's how they wanted you to present. Like I don't know if you wanted to present yourself that way. I don't. It doesn't sound like you wanted to initially, but it sounds like it kind of just came to be that way. Like, oh hey, Alex is a big whale, you know. And then, am I reading that right? Because that kind of seems like that's what happened. That's why people kind of have the attitude.
alex_eph612 I'd like to explain why the whole whale presentation occurred in the first place. So, for better or for worse, people listen to the big players in this space and they copy trade them. The purpose of like creating this sort of narrative that big whales are in APU is so that the market sees that there is a significant amount of money in our particular ecosystem, and liquidity attracts liquidity. The whale narrative. Was never meant to be some sort of elitist, dictatorial, classist perspective. It was simply meant to attract liquidity. And I'm of the opinion that anyone that believes that I'm trying to present myself as some sort of rich fuck is projecting their own insecurities on the matter. No one has ever said that someone is less valuable because they hold fewer tokens. Absolutely, everyone's work is appreciated.
saucestaja Absolutely, that's how charts get formed. I definitely agree with that. So yeah, you didn't you didn't want to be known as the whale, but somewhere along the lines, it just came to be part of the I guess the culture I guess because yeah we wanted to attract liquidity but this time I've already been gone at that point but the game plan was all right we need to attract liquidity but then it just got over condol there was over convoluted with the whole whale narrative so
alex_eph612 well let me let me present this to you in this way. So after Jim had left, you know, the remaining high council members created a new chat. You know, they said, you know, our chart's falling. You know, what else can we do? Like, you know, there are these holders involved, and they have they have opinions, right? You know, maybe we should try it. So they got me and another big whale in a in a group chat, and then eventually, you know, I got assigned more responsibility. And one of my proposals was essentially this: Let's figure out who all of the top holders are, so that we can finally put this narrative to rest that there are secret whales in Apu that are farming the chart. So I proposed this. You know, I had people in Apu that were constantly watching wallets and all this stuff, and I started asking them, you know, who's who, you know created a chat with these people so that they could have like unity and cohesion? Because my expectation was that if we put all of these whales together and build a chat for them where they can express you know their opinions with each other and build camaraderie, they're not going to fud, they're not going to silo and fud themselves out of the token, but rather hold themselves together and create like this diamond hand support for the chart. And you know that's pretty much what happened. You know the chart doesn't reflect this because there was 100 billion tokens that were sold that were sold by people that were not in our in our chat, right? Over the last year, we've consistently had over like 80 billion tokens there. You know that number didn't change. We keep finding new ones. the ones that the ones that are there keep buying. You know, certainly there are some that sell, but they sell at a much slower pace than everyone else. And here's my point: this was considered a good idea by the High Council. If it wasn't, it would never have happened.
saucestaja I mean, I could see that because they wanted me to dox my wallet, and I didn't want to do that.
alex_eph612 Yeah, and I do know, I do know some whales that are. Let's see, I call them other poo whales. Let's see here. There's 31 billion of Apu represented by other Apu whales. These are whales that I know about that don't want to get doxed. They don't want to be in the whale chat for whatever reason, but they're part of the community. They love the frog, You know that sort of thing, and there's another list of about 41 billion tokens of secret whales that have never disclosed themselves that I don't know about. I simply know about them because their wallets exist, and these are the guys that are consistently selling and jumping. And the goal here is essentially to get them to run out of tokens and get our side holding the most, essentially buying them up, so that once a parabolic move does come, it's not raped shit by them. Like it has before.
saucestaja By my question is: Is it them or is it just one person? That's kind of yeah. I little conspiratorial there.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean honestly, I think there is some overlap. You know, single entities do own multiple wallets, and you know I know this for a fact, but it doesn't mean that the entire unknown supply is owned by a single person.
saucestaja Right, that'd be a little ridiculous, but yeah, there's definitely somebody. There's somebody out there who's pitching and catching more, more, more poo than they should doesn't want to let it be known, not necessarily on a on a on a bad acting level,
alex_eph612 right? I mean, we don't need a conspiracy for this. It's just like, you know, we want to make APU something special. We don't want it to be just like whatever token, right? So to that extent, we want to be able to create a culture of organic supply control, and the only way to do that is to buy up the existing supply. There really is no other way. It's not like we can blacklist wallets. We literally have to, you know, use the money that we have to buy everything that everyone else is selling, which is exactly what we've been doing.
saucestaja Yeah, and I think it's healthy. I do. I think it's healthy price action. I think it's help healthy movement. I think it's healthy growth pains. Kind of viewing smart contracts with a different paradigm, especially the Ethereum ones with more of a longer term thought process. The crypto bubble, I think, is just a very, very, you know, it's a very immediate thing. There's a lot of instant gratification that comes with this. So, as you mentioned previously in this conversation, like when this coin, when everything's all said and done, moments like this, no one's going to remember.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
saucestaja Yeah. know, and also just like just looking at the chart, looking at the everything else that's going to play into it, Ethereum and all that. The meme's not going to die; it's going to be around. People are going to come and go, which they have and they will. But as long as there's still strength, and as long as there's still people that are there that represent the coin and the community and the frog-that's what's important. I mean, look at ticker Bitcoin, right? These guys are-they just don't stop. You know, that's APU too. There's still people in APU who won't stop. They love the frog. They still they still buy it, and they're not concerning themselves with the drama. They're not concerning themselves with the what ifs, because it doesn't that doesn't matter, you know. So like you mentioned before as well, taking a break, going outside. Don't let this shit get to you.
alex_eph612 Yeah, you know. Ultimately, no one is entitled for it to anyone else's work. If you feel like you have had enough for a particular day or week or month or whatever, you can take off as much time as you want.
saucestaja Yeah, and that's the thing is you know, but when you're introduced to something as like a cult, you have to show up every day, you know, and that's not that's not the way that's not the way you make money in this space. Unfortunately, that's how you make scammers money, but that's not how you make yourself money. Which is the whole reason why I think most of us are here.
alex_eph612 Well, sure. I mean, there is something to be said about the fact that you know, if you're if you've been doing something for two years and it obviously hasn't been working, you know, obviously you probably should revisit that and you know figure out whether or not what you're doing is actually beneficial.
saucestaja Totally, totally. If you're doing something for two years and you're not seeing anything in return, you might you might have bigger problems than just crypto. You know,
alex_eph612 right. And you know what? The same thing can be said about me. If I'm doing something that isn't getting results for two years, then you know certainly that is a legitimate grievance. But that's my own personal problem. You know, I'm the one who is in charge of the amount of money and time that I put into this project, and no one else is. Well, this is what I want to. Yeah, go ahead.
saucestaja It's a paradigm. That's you just see it differently. That's all it is. Some would someone argue that's a sunk and cause fallacy, but no, it's building a business. It's building not a brand, but it's you're investing into something, a vision, so whatever it is. However you see it, that's what you're investing your time into.
alex_eph612 Right. You know, personally, I think I'm right. That's why I continue to do the work that I'm doing. If someone disagrees, they're welcome to disagree. But you have to realize, ultimately, I don't have any power in this space. You know, everything that I do is my own personal responsibility.
saucestaja Yeah, but people like you and me, for some reason, we affect other people in this community like greatly. Like you more so because you're the way you are and how you are. You know, I my things my shit's all past tense. You know, my shit's water of the bridge at the moment. But these people, some people just get affected and they can't move past it. They can't grow. They can't remember the actual end game. They keep moving the field goal, keep moving the post, and they kind of just lose track of what they're even doing in this market. You know, I mean, me too. Two years doing the same thing. I mean, I've been there and done that. I mean, no one's perfect, and this is besides crypto. But it comes down to how serious you are as a person. Do you really see value? Do you really see this going somewhere? Because I honestly see APU somewhere in the future higher than where it's at now.
alex_eph612 Well, I think everyone thinks that
___Payback___ way better.
saucestaja Well, everyone thinks that, but what are they doing about it?
alex_eph612 Well, even if you are showing up every day in rating, and I hold the opinion that is not useful. That doesn't mean that you're a bad person, right? You can do whatever you want. The whole idea of a permissionless system is that you are ultimately responsible for your own the for your own like time and money that you put into the project.
saucestaja Yeah, it's basically the ticket you pay to get into Disneyland. You're not going to let buying the ticket ruin your whole experience, but you understand that's the price of admission.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Well, in any case, I think for this particular topic, I think we've sort of covered it. Does anyone else want the mic?
saucestaja Yeah, we've pretty much covered much. I had a lot of questions. I feel like I got a lot of insight actually with the space. Unfortunately, I think most people are draw like they're tuned away from APU now. Honestly, I think the damage has been done with 5g and their whole happy coin. I think they just done so much damage, bro. It's gonna be tough. Honestly,
alex_eph612 I don't. I don't think it matters. If I'm right, then this whole crypto Twitter stuff-it doesn't really matter right now. I know a lot of people are like you know very deep in the weeds about it, but sentiment changes quickly, and pretty much all ETH memes are in the shitter right now. And 5G was not involved in those other projects, and neither was I. This is all macro-driven, and sentiment comes back once macro returns, or once macro is more favorable to our existence. None of this shit will matter in the future, and people need to like put their egos aside and realize that it's not that fucking serious.
saucestaja I definitely agree. We're not all celebrities. Nobody knows who we are outside this app. What's up, Don?
DonPiFF_ And then you, and then Alex, ball posting is not doing anything. All right, so I ball post and I DCA every day. I want to know what other frogs are DCAing every day. DAing Alex is good, no?
alex_eph612 So DCing is good, yeah.
DonPiFF_ Yeah, that's what I do though.
alex_eph612 Ultimately, we want supply and control of people who have a longer time horizon than everyone else, and anyone in this community who's buying APU will help it in the future.
saucestaja Yeah, honestly, these are good levels. This I've never seen APU this low since I originally got in. It's a little higher, obviously, but it looks good.
alex_eph612 Yeah, and one other thing I want to mention is like, I know this is a very redditor term, but. Correlation isn't implying causation in this case. Just because happy launch doesn't mean that that's the reason our chart looks the way that it does.
saucestaja Absolutely, happy is not the
alex_eph612 issue.
saucestaja Yeah, it's not happy. Is happy's gonna it's gonna fizzle out. I keep interrupting you. My bad, bro.
alex_eph612 That's okay. I do tend to talk too long, but in any case, you'll never hear me say that happy is the reason that APU failed, because it doesn't matter. Like I can't hold two positions at once. I can't say rating doesn't matter, and rating matters, but only for happy. No, that's not how that works.
saucestaja I think rating does absolutely nothing. Rating is a old. It's a lost art. It's old. It's outdated itself a long time ago.
Fren 9 Nobody knows. nobody does that.
alex_eph612 Saying that, yeah, and I understand how difficult of a concept it must be to grasp if you spent the last two years of your life raiding, and you know someone's coming in and telling you that it doesn't matter. But unfortunately, the truth doesn't change no matter who says it? You know this is self-evident.
saucestaja As a as a self-proclaimed raider and lore master, and put many hours into shelling the coin, hosting spaces, and all that good shit. Very rarely did we actually see decent price action during those spaces during the rating. Most of the time, it was just Sell pressure, honestly, which kind of fucks you up. Like, especially like, yeah, yeah.
alex_eph612 Sorry, go ahead.
saucestaja I was gonna say, like, if you're if you're heavily invested, like I was, and you're running a space and you have money into it and you're buying, you just get done hosting a six hour space. Everything's cool. You chuck the chart, but then you're down 10% and you're like, "What the fuck? That shit sucks. But then you do it the next day,
alex_eph612 right? And here's an example: like there was this Korean pop star that posted APU and had 3 million followers and million plus whatever likes, and it happened at an inopportune time for macro, and it didn't do shit. But if it were, if it would have happened when real rates were at zero, it would have pumped our chart by 2x. You know, that's the kind of thing that we're talking about here. So rating matters when it happens at the right time, but you can't attract liquidity because it doesn't exist if you keep raiding when money isn't cheap, and it's impossible for macro to go risk on.
saucestaja I mean, there's been times rating does pan out. Don't get me wrong; it's not it's not black pill negative all the time. I mean, there's moments where rating hits, and in fact, in my opinion, I think Apu actually almost pioneered a lot of the tactics that you see people take nowadays in terms of rating. You know, we pioneered a lot that most communities do to this day. Still, you know, aside from just bomb mementics, the songs, the way we went about rating spaces, the type of people we would target rating spaces, it was all very it was very intelligent process that we had back then, but it didn't really yield. Yeah, it didn't really yield the results you expected to. But we can't. You can't bank on that.
alex_eph612 So, right, like the game has changed. The year, the ecosystem is not the same as it was two and a half years ago. Yeah.
Fren 13 Yeah. Okay. Because my internet just showed an error.
alex_eph612 So, let me propose a particular thesis. I think because AI is so prevalent and bots are so prevalent, and AI is able to make pretty good art in a style that's basically indistinguishable from human artwork, there really isn't that much upside left for projects that rely exclusively on artwork and rating to promote themselves. It's very likely that whatever next big thing for successful meme coins, is whatever can demonstrate a provable human element as the antithesis to the dead internet theory. What I mean by that is there's a lot of noise on CT right now, and if you're indistinguishable. From a bot that raids by saying APU up only, or post a picture of a frog, your buyers are not going to be able to tell you from like a bot from a scam. So you have to put a little bit more work into your posts, a little bit more thought that actually sounds like a person that's fucking talking, in order to prove to the rest of CT that you're an actual real person that's invested in a real token
saucestaja consistently, and not switch up while interacting and being transparent. It's a finesse. There's an art to it, definitely. There's definitely an art to it. No one cares right now because the price action isn't really the best. Which don't blame them, but you know. And then it also it takes very very little to kind of ruin the reputation you have on CT as well, which is why people who shill the same coin for years on end, like those are very. You have to give nothing but respect to those type of people, because that's fucking conviction. And everybody likes to throw that word around, but they don't actually mean it. So that's right there. That will that can make you stand out alone. Is if you're fucking posting the same thing nonstop while you have a niche group of mutuals that you interact with, don't see them as exit liquidity. Don't see them as potential new buyers for a coin that you just made. Just keep it mutual. I don't think people realize how far that can go in this space. You know, in the same time, that can be easily taken advantage of.
alex_eph612 I agree.
saucestaja How did you originally get into APU, Alex? This is like the first time I've ever talked to you.
alex_eph612 So this was around the time when 4chan essentially banned all of APU posting, and we had to migrate to different boards. And I essentially I came across a post that mirrored an experience that I had with altcoins, and that is like I believed in my particular altcoin. I was an altcoin baggy for six years. I believed in the tech, in the value of the tech, and then I eventually realized that tech itself is a meme. No one cares how fast your chain is, and that meme coins themselves are essentially the final frontier of the entire crypto ecosystem. So essentially, the post had mentioned that I found was that crypto markets, that essentially meme coins were crypto markets in their most purest form. And when I came across that post, I realized, you know what? You're absolutely fucking right. And that's that essentially led me down the path of selling the bags that I was holding for six years and buying APU with them. So I bought the token. I started looking around. You know, I started trying to participate in the community. I'm like, okay, well, I go on Dex Screener and I load up the telegram, and I see that all it is just like buy bot spam. You can't hold a conversation. So I'm like, I was 38 years old at the time, and this was like completely, you know, new to me. You know, I expected to go online, have a conversation, be able to talk to people, be able to chat with people, and I couldn't do that in the Telegram, right? So I'm like, okay, well, let me just create a new chat where there's no buy bot that's constantly spamming, and I ended up doing that. There was like very few people. It was APU comfy chat. The entire purpose of that chat was simply to be able to hold a conversation without being interrupted by the buy bot. So I started inviting people from 4chan that I knew. I posted the link on 4chan, got a little you know, got a few people together that I knew from an existing community and said, "Hey, you know this coin is ripping. Let's buy it, you know that sort of thing. And then I posted the link in the official Apu Telegram, and it was immediately deleted, and I got banned. And I'm like, "Well, okay, what the fuck's going on? I didn't do anything, so I try to like message people. And you know, try to figure out why I was banned. And it says, "Well, it looks like you were banned for posting a link to a to another chat. And I said, "But that you know, this isn't APU chat. You know, why can't I invite people from the existing token or like from the existing Telegram into this chat that doesn't have the buy bot? And they're like, "Okay, well, this is the official Telegram chat or whatever, and I'm like, all right, well, I'll just I'll just whatever, keep to myself with the people that are that are there, and we'll talk about whatever. And then, actually, I'm going to cut that story short. So the that was the that was how I got into APU.
saucestaja Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I got in ground level day one. Back when all the I got
alex_eph612 in a yeah, I got in about a week after Palladius had rubbed the token. Oh
saucestaja wow! Nice. Okay. Yeah. So you've yeah. Okay. You've been you've been through the whole shebang. So you never wanted to be known as a whale.
alex_eph612 Well, there was there was some problems. You know, I came from 4chan, the 4chan culture, and I, I believed in the pure spirit of APU in the sense that it had a it had its a certain like element to it that was being whitewashed by the team that was running it, I didn't have any idea who these people were. I essentially saw that they were turning Apu into a meme coin that's palatable to the Turbo Normy, for lack of a better word, and this was very upsetting to me because I got into APU for a specific reason, you know, and they were essentially ripping the soul out of the token,
Fren 3 yeah,
alex_eph612 for whatever perceived reason that they might have. Like, it was essentially killing it for some like particular reason. Maybe it was oh you know exchanges won't list it if it's associated with Pepe or you know this like we wouldn't be able to attract a particular buyer if APU wasn't whitewashed and all this sort of thing and this essentially created a schism between the people who believed in Apu in his purest form and a whitewashed version of Apu, and essentially it culminated into this really big civil war between the existing, essentially the people that were running the token and the buyers of Apu who came from 4chan.
saucestaja This makes sense.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
saucestaja that makes sense. Yeah, because dealing with some of the community members for as long as I have, you do get you do you do get the 4chan vibes off them, you do. I mean, I don't know what that means to other people. I guess it's just a term I made up in my own head to kind of make sense of things, personality, like personality traits.
alex_eph612 Yeah, like I can't really put like a perspective on it, but I mean, I can't put a name to the feeling of being like from 4chan or something like that. But basically, it's being able to say "nigger" online unapologetically without worrying that someone's gonna like copy paste your screenshot and send it somewhere and make you look bad, right? You're able to express your thoughts. You know, you have a certain like freedom associated with it, and this was very like compelling to the 4chan investors because they came from this society where essentially like this is after COVID, and you know society was going to like fucking shit, and you know they wanted some sort of bastion of freedom where they could you know say what they wanted on the internet, you know do whatever they wanted without having to worry about looking bad to someone else. So when Apu started getting whitewashed, it was very disheartening because they believe that they invested in something that they have like freedom from the rest of the world, and if that symbol of that freedom is being corrupted to make a quick buck, it really depends.
saucestaja You know, with what you just said, I kind of feel bad because honestly, Alex, I feel like I might have contributed to the whitewashing of APU man. I do. I feel bad because I made I made AI songs. I don't know if that's what you mean about whitewashing it, but I made the songs. I made my own stupid memes. I mean, I'm not too sure if that's like the realm of whitewashing you're getting at, but
alex_eph612 no, I'm not saying that. Like, I actually like the music and I like the memes that are made. I'm not even particularly worried about, you know, what memes someone make, but this whole like push to make APU like a DEI project was very just disheartening, you know. This like, oh, we're not associated with Pepe and Apu is inclusive, and he's the friendly frog. And like, no matter, no matter how many mental illnesses you have that make you think that you're a woman when you're actually not, you know, it's okay. You know, come to our community. You know, we're not associated with the alt right and all this bullshit, you know. Please list us on Coinbase because we're just such a good little goy, you know. Yeah. Yep. And you know, ultimately, none of it fucking mattered because the thesis didn't play out. Coinbase listed Pepe without any problems regarding its association with the alt right, and we were left just holding our dicks. You know, if we had just doubled down on our position, you know, something different could have happened. I
saucestaja can't tell you how many times the High Council would tell people like me or other people in the community, "It's all about optics. It's all about optics. You can't post that. It's all about optics.
alex_eph612 Yeah. Well, here's the thing: optics change, pendulums shift, and you always have to build for the future that you believe in. You can't be chasing yesterday's fads, and that's exactly what they were doing. Yeah.
saucestaja Well, who says it? Well, Warren Buffett. I think I think it's Warren Buffett. The money you can make today isn't going to be the same way you make it tomorrow, or along the lines of that. Don't quote me. Sure. Right. Yeah. Same. Trying to try to copy the playbook. But here's the thing, though. It's it was an education campaign too. They had everybody on, and I think you mentioned it earlier in the conversation. That is that if you got to go around educating people, it's that's a very 00 sum game. Nobody cares. Nobody cares enough to put their money after you just oh yeah let me educate you about why APU's different than Pepe. Oh they're gonna be they're gonna be pulling out their wallet and they're gonna be handing you $500,000 because you just gave them so much education. You just thrilled them. They're thrilled. You're telling there's another frog. You know, like let's be real here. It was it was a good thing to entertain, and I believed in it. I was part of the whitewashing.
alex_eph612 Yeah, you know, I ultimately don't care who the personalities were. You know, a lot of people they get their panties in a twist because like I'm against some sort of idea that they're aligned with, and they think that I think that they're a bad person. But really, I just think the idea is shit, and they get like you know all butt hurt about it, but you know, I'm not. I'm not taking it personally, and you shouldn't take it personally either.
saucestaja Absolutely, absolutely. There's, there's actually like it's. I mean, I'm a grown ass man, man. You know what I mean? Like, I don't take any of the shit personal. It's just, I guess it's the your, it's your the expectations of like the caliber of person you would assume people would be on a certain level of normalcy, whatever level of normalcy that you think that might be, because sometimes we're all a little different, crazy, you know. But it gets to a point where people take the cult shit too far, to the point you're like, like you're like, whoa, wait a minute, like you guys are crazy. You guys are not. You guys need to go outside. You know, it kind of like makes you think about it a little bit more. You know, so whether you know I whether that's a realization of it taking it personal or me verbally expressing it and them taking it personal. Maybe it's a little bit of both, but this all this comes down to is just too much screen time for some people. Really, that's all it comes down to. Because it got whitewashed, it feels you have to feel like. You have the need to keep perpetuating the meme because it's not decentralized; its own thing. You have to feel like you have to keep educating people. You feel like you have to keep shilling people.
alex_eph612 Yeah, one point I'd like to make is that a lot of these guys, you know, they consider themselves day one OGs or whatever. They got in early, and they really value that the work that they put in. But they really need to realize that they're an extremely small minority of the actual people who know APU from its cultural relevance. Right? There are so many more people out there that like APU, and that they have nothing to do with our token. So just because you are bag working for a particular token, you know, don't get too big of a head about it, right? Ultimately, you want to attract those people, and you want to assign the tokenized community and the ERC contract to the cultural relevance of the meme, so that you're able to attract that liquidity. And if you have a big ego and all you do is talk about yourself and how much work you put into the coin, you're at a race to the bottom, because you're just alienating whatever people that are left in our community and causing them to crash out.
saucestaja That's a very good point because I remember at one point in time we actually went after a few artists that weren't involved in the coin, but they still loved APU, but yet we ostracized the fuck out of those people. And it's a great point, Alex, because if you want your coin to be the choice in coin, and if you really want to be whitewashed, if you really want to see everybody can join, then why the hell are you acting like that? You know, I don't I never understood. You know, hating you lose all aura when you hate, or just negative. It just all aura, just poof.
alex_eph612 Yeah,
saucestaja but you're right. Well, they some people think they're celebrities, man. Like nobody knows who they are outside of X, but yet on X, and like they're this they're this crazy fucking person on X, dude. But you never heard of them, you know what I mean? Nobody cares.
alex_eph612 Well, you know, ultimately, I am thankful for the work that everyone is putting into APU, and ultimately, you know, I appreciate them. But you know, what I what I think about you shouldn't matter to you either. Or like, I'm not saying you, but just in a general you, like you, you don't need my thankfulness. You don't need my appreciation. You can you can do whatever you want, right? If you do something for APU and I don't like it, that shouldn't bother you.
saucestaja I agree with that because at the end of the day, I want you to make it.
alex_eph612 Yeah, like I want everyone in the APU community to make a fuck ton of money. Like I don't know where this idea came from that I want to that I'm taking food out of people's mouths or you know crazy shit like that. Obviously, I want everyone to make it.
saucestaja Yeah, it doesn't need to be all negative. That's for sure. And you know what, Alex? I didn't even know. Excuse me for
alex_eph612 a second.
saucestaja I didn't even know you existed until basically that you got propped up as some big time whale. All
alex_eph612 right, I'm back.
saucestaja Yeah, I didn't even know you existed until you got propped up as some big time whale. Honestly, because that's how you got propped up as was Alex. Hey, we got this new whale or whatever. Like it just got you got propped up as this whale, so that's why I talk about you having the authenticity in the community because you're they were told, hey, this guy is the whale. He has money. This is the guy that is going to do stuff for us, essentially, because he's the whale, and that's a little bit unfair. Yeah, I don't think that you know I don't think that's what you really wanted, but that's what you got. And honestly, you're actually on the space talking, having a conversation, and 5g doesn't do that, you know. So. I'm not trying to talk bad about him; just stating the facts. I've worked with 5g for many years, and I never had a verbal conversation with the guy at all.
alex_eph612 Right.
saucestaja So that's kind of weird. But you know, when I realized I wasn't useful to him anymore, you know, he just cuts you off, and same thing happened to you. And I didn't articulate that right when I tried to tell you, because I'm sometimes I'm a piece of shit, honestly. You know, and I know I talk shit. I'm, you know, I talk shit, and that's why you got me blocked, and that's why a lot of people have me blocked. It's because I talk shit, and sometimes I'm an asshole. But I just all my anger was just misguided because it was all at 5g. Because he just is-he's a fucking asshole, dude. And every all these people listen to this guy and they praise him, and it's fucking weird. So I just want to apologize to everybody for being a piece of shit, because we had Pat coming up here trying to do some therapy session, and I didn't even know this. This is what these guys thought of me, honestly. Like that's fucking wild, but it is what it is, man. And you know what? Like you said, you don't let that shit get to you at all. Like, yeah, you don't let that shit get to you. It's just, and like I said, it's just the caliber of person. You think like they just be cool and normal, but apparently there's like all this gossip, and these guys really, they really think these things. It's like it's insane. So You know, but I do. I do want to keep DCAing APU. I think. I think there's big things coming, and honestly, they talk about shaking out weak hands. This is honestly the this is the time you shake out the fucking weak hands. It's through shit like this, right?
alex_eph612 What else are you invested in crypto?
saucestaja Fucking a lot of Ethereum, but I can't. I want to talk about it because, you know, these Apu guys are they're weird. I've been doxed. One of my addresses have been doxed, so I don't like talking about myself anymore.
alex_eph612 Okay,
saucestaja so I'm sorry, but yeah, I mean, I've just I have Ethereum and I have this and that, but and it's fucked up, dude, because they want me to feel ostracized and weird, so they've accomplished that on some level. But you know, yeah, I need to get more of my money into crypto, like you though, honestly, because I think the U.S. dollar is going to fail. Trump is fucking us up.
alex_eph612 Well, one thing you can do that helps you get exposure, like have liquid assets, is to essentially buy XAUT, which is Tether's spot gold ERC contract. So you essentially you get your money into crypto, you hold XAUT, and whenever you feel like you need to make a play, it's very easy to do that. That way, you still maintain upside to gold. So, in case there is a global economic collapse, gold rips. You know, you still have upside there, and at the same time, you have like liquidity available to be able to invest in whatever it is that you want because your money's in crypto.
saucestaja Absolutely, that's what I mean. That's what I understand. People who buy physical gold and metal, like precious metal. I mean, I understand it's precious metal and all that, but you can still get the same value just with digital equities. Just you don't have yeah.
alex_eph612 I mean, there is custodial risk, but at this point, I think that Tether is a state-backed asset. I don't think they're going away. I think I think it's part of the plan to, you know, part of the digital ID plan, and yet everyone holding paper gold.
saucestaja Yep, digital IDs are definitely coming. I definitely agree with you on that. You know, I'm still, I still, you know, it's one of those questions I kind of ask myself. You know, like what chain? But it's not going to be a singular chain. It's going to be like five chains, maybe six or seven chains that are going to run the world. And I know Ethereum is one of them. You know, it's like a little game I like to play with myself. Like, what fucking crypto is going to be the one that's going to dominate the world?
alex_eph612 It's XRP,
saucestaja right? It's the standard, bro.
alex_eph612 I heard that banks are going to use it.
saucestaja Yeah, dude. I dude, I have somebody telling me that the whole United States is going to absolve. Debt with XRP,
alex_eph612 right?
saucestaja Can you can you believe that? I can't. But these people believe it, and they're dead serious about it.
alex_eph612 Well, yeah, and you know, ultimately, they're just an XRP cult,
saucestaja more or less. Yeah, or a tech cult. Quote tech emphasis on quote with you know hyphens. It's all it's all a gimmick. It's all air. It's all vaporware. All
alex_eph612 right. Well, we've covered a lot. It's been three hours. What do you guys want to do? Do you want to keep going or call it a day?
saucestaja Damn, it's been three hours. That's crazy.
alex_eph612 Yeah.
saucestaja I'm. I mean, I'm whatever, dude. I have nothing to do, bro. It's whatever I've you know. It's everybody wants to come up and chat.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I mean anyone that wants to chat, you know, please unmute yourselves and we can talk about other topics. If you have any questions, please go ahead and ask them. I'll give it a couple of minutes. If no one wants to talk, then we'll probably just call it a day.
saucestaja Yep, sounds good to me. But yeah, no, I'm glad that you know culture spun the space up because you know I learned I've I was onto this shit what he's what he's talking about everything. You know, I was onto this shit a little earlier than most, I guess, and I had a total crash out about it. I didn't articulate myself well because I was basically like, "Fuck everybody, and you know, some people can have their opinions about it, but you know, it is what it is at this point. That was like three years ago, so I don't know why people keep bringing it up, and I don't know why I need to address it all the time. But
alex_eph612 oh, you know that's kind of funny. I can only laugh about it, but there were narratives about me that are as old as APU, and when I was useful to the High Council, I was forgiven for all of these perceived slights, whether or not I did that
saucestaja or not. Right, right.
alex_eph612 And then once I was no longer useful to them, it all came back. Dude, it comes back
saucestaja fucking a hundredfold.
alex_eph612 Right, but you know, once again, I don't take it personally.
saucestaja Same. I think it's crazy. I, you know what? I got to give them credit for how well they're good at manipulating people.
alex_eph612 It's actually the people's fault that are being manipulated because there's always going to be there's always going to be scammers, and it's ultimately your choice if you're the one getting scammed or not.
saucestaja Amen, amen. I think that's a fucking great way to leave it, bro. Honestly, that's solid, man. It was good talking to you, Alex. You know, sorry for being a piece of shit in the past, man, but it was misguided anger. I'm glad we had this conversation today. I'm glad culture spun the space, and I hope he's getting late tonight, bro. I hope he didn't fuck it up for him, man.
alex_eph612 Yeah, I hope so. And yeah, it's no, it's no big deal. And thank you for the chat as well.
saucestaja Absolutely, no. I like I like the breakdown too of happy. I like yeah. You have a very analytical thought process. I like that. I would give you a follow, but you got me blocked. So
alex_eph612 like honestly, I don't I don't use Twitter as much as everyone thinks. No, no, don't worry, don't worry, don't
saucestaja unblock me. Just do whatever you want to do, bro. Enjoy your night, dude. It was great talking to you, though.
alex_eph612 Likewise, for sure. All right. Take care.
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